I'm still climbing the ladder - long way to Ben's Master level. I shot at an indoor range on Sat. At 15 yds held my 15 rnd group in the 6 ring while pushing my speed. It's still not double tap, but a 15 rnd burst takes a little more effort to keep it in a 8" circle, at least for me. I've put the IPSC targets up in the back yard for dry fire a la Steve Anderson. Thunderstorm came through and tossed everything on the ground, then turned it into damp, mushy cardboard. I wonder if there's a market for moisture resistant IPSC targets?