[Woody]

One of Steyr's best features may not be exclusive.
Woody

http://www.advantagetactical.com/

Advantage Tactical
3868 W. Carson Street
Ste. 315
Torrance, CA 90503

 

[hihoslva]

Yeah, well, kinda.

It's triangular. But it's not the same. I think that a sight system such as that might be pretty accurate, but not very fast.

The advantage of the Steyr system is that the base of the triangle and the base of the trapezoidal notch in the rear sight are both extremely wide compared to traditional post/notch sights. This means the front sight is visible through the rear sight through a MUCH wider range of motion.

What leads to fast follow-up shots in any pistol is the ability of the shooter to quickly line up the sights again. With post/notch, the front sight easily disappears completely, leaving the shooter to "hunt" for it. But the tri/trap Steyr sights, the front sight can be far more out-of-alignment, yet still be partially seen. Being able to see just a small part of the front sight tells the shooter where gun is aimed, and which direction to move to correct it.

All of this happens in a split-second, of course.

Those Glock triangle sights are novel, and probably pretty cool to use. But I don't think they compare to the Steyr system.

 

[ministerofdeath]

Yeah, now if only Steyr could have some trapezoid night sights standard. I can dream.

 

[blueiron]

Having just seen this website and looked at the sights, allow me to add my opinion. I am completely unimpressed. These sights are unsuitablle for target shooting and they are lfar ess than ideal for personal defense.

First, one of the rules of defensive shooting is "Front Sight". The Steyr factory front sight excels at this due to the prominent white triangle. The factory Stey rear sight adds to this by having small angled bars to outline the front sight in certainlighting conditions. This sight has a small red "diamond" that is neither visually compelling in its shape, color, or placement in the sight picture. The rear sight is far more compelling due to its perceived size and the use of a higher visibility color. This will handicap a veteran shooter and perplex a rookie shooter.

For target shooting, this sight allows no precision. There is no visual border between the front sight and the rear sight. With no visual reference between the sights, the shooter cannot accurately ascertain elevation/windage errors. The shooter must rely on the perception of color orientation against the contrasting color.

I have been a firearms instructor for over nine years in my current job and based on what I have observed on the website, I would recommend against them for anything other that casual plinking.

 

[revjen45]

Looks to me like a gimmick. I would prefer patridge, Steyr Trapezoid, or Express to that.

 

[Guest]

They can't even spell "Sig Sauer" right....so they've already lost credibility with me!

 

[Guest]

SURE -SIGHT

TRU-GLO MAKES A TRIANGLE SIGHT CALLED (SURE-SIGHT) WHICH IS DAY-GLO YELLOW AND EAZY TO PICK-UP A GOOD SIGHT PICTURE.

I'VE GOT A SET ON MY GLOCK 27. AT FIRST I HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE SHOOTING WITH THEM DUE TO TRYING TO MAKE A PERFECT TRIANGLE. AFTER A WHILE I WAS ABLE TO JUST PICK-UP THE FRONT SIGHT ONLY, NOT EVEN PAYING ANY ATTENTION TO THE REAR. EVERYTHING WAS GREAT AFTER THAT UP TO ABOUT 15 TO 20 YARDS AFTER THAT YOU CAN FORGET LONG RANGE SHOOTING. SOMETHING ABOUT THE EYE DOING ALL THE WORK FOR YOU, KIND OF LIKE THE EYE ALWAYS CENTERS THE FRONT SIGHT IN A GHOST RING OR PEEP SIGHT.

THE STEYR SIGHT ARE EASIER TO USE EVEN A LONGER DISTANCE.

 

[hiramabiff]

We just happen to have the pistol of the future.

The first article I read about Steyr is that its design is years ahead of its time! The lock/safety system, tripozodal sights... etc...

They said that M9 is a collectors item!

I agree to that!

I have a collectors item! A pistol designed for the pistol designs of the future!

 

[Guest]

Hello Everyone,

My name is Chaim Stein, and I am the inventor of the SureSight (The sight mentioned by UTCCOP)

TRUGLO no longer makes it; we are now manufacturing and marketing it ourselves, and we will be bringing it to market in the very near future for Glocks, XDs and Sigs.

While it is triangular, it differs significantly from the Steyr's innovative triangle/trapezoid sight.

First, SureSight is aligned differently . The front sight is visually "stacked" on top of the rear sight, and the resulting alignment forms a triangle. The tip of the triangle is point of impact. This allows the shooter to simultaneously see much more front sight AND more of the target. (The front sight is by FAR the largest front sight of any kind on the market, yet it will still fit in standard holsters.) (If you'd like to see a diagram that illustrates this, please visit http://www.suresight.com)

Second, because the front sight is so large and the rear so relatively small, the front sight can never get "lost" behind the rear sight, as is often the case with notch and post sights. This not only aids in faster sight acqusition under normal conditions, it also makes shooting multiple targets, shooting on the move, and regaining sight picture after recoil much simpler.

Third, apart from increased front sight visibility, this arrangement causes the shooter to form a picture--a complete triangle. This capitalizes on an inborn skill we humans posess called the Gestalt Principles of Perceptual Organization. Since humans are already hard-wired to complete shapes, it makes aiming a more intuitive.

Fourth, these are the only handgun sights (that I am aware of) on the market that were designed to be aimable when the primary focus of the shooter's eye is on the target, not the sights. Even a healthy shooter, under non-stressful conditions, takes approximately .75 seconds to shift focal lengths, as from focusing on the front sight to focusing on a potential threat. That is a loooong time in a gunfight. SureSight was designed to be able to allow good hits on a man-sized target out to 7 yards while focusing intently on the target, not the sights. The fluorescent yellow sights and distinctive shape facilitate with this.

I hope I'm not out of line here; I came across this forum (and this thread) since I noticed some members were visiting my site from here. I apologize if I'm being too "commercial". That said, I think we have something unique to offer the shooting community, and I think this may be of interest.

If anyone would like to read reviews, Glocktalk has a rather long thread on SureSight, which can be found here: http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=350419

If anyone would like more details, please feel free to ask me here. Alternative, you can contact us at [email protected], or visit our website at http://www.suresight.com.

All the best,

Chaim Stein
President, SureSight LLC (aka "Leibster")

 

[Wulf]

Hiya Chaim

Thanx for the post. I wouldn't mind havin' one of those front sights in my hand to look at, but I don't have a Glock to put it in, and its not very likely that I ever will. <shrug> But I am intrigued by your front sight. Can you arrange for me to borrow one for a small time to get a feel for what you are suggesting i.e. quicker target aquisition, over the top of the back sight alignment an so forth. And, are you or are you not going to have them available for the M and S Series Steyrs? Plz get back to me when you have a moment. PM me if you'd rather. Thanx.

Wulf

 

[Guest]

Wulf,

The first models will be available for Glocks, XDs and Sigs. If we get sufficient interest, we'll make them for the Steyr series.

The front sight wouldn't do you much good without the rear sight, since the SureSight front sight is not compatible with any other rear sight.

Hope that helps,

--Chaim

 

[Wulf]

OIC

Thanx, Leibster. Hava great week.

Wulf

 

[Guest]

Wulf,

I just caught your post--very late. You have a great week, too. (It's a new one now!)

--Leibster

 

[SELFDEFENSE]

I just signed up on their site to get future info. It looks interesting. Signed up for Glock and asked for Steyr to be added to their list.

 

[SELFDEFENSE]

I'm guessing that is the Chaim Stein that did the Israeli Point Shooting Method tape.

 

[Guest]

You are correct sir; that would be me.

--Chaim

 

[SELFDEFENSE]

Great tape. I own it.

 

[Guest]

Thank you!

I hope you'll like the new sights when you see them, too!

--Chaim

 

[Rotorflyr]

I'd be curious as to just how much "interest" they are looking for prior to actually trying to develope a sight for Steyrs (which considering come stock with a "triangle" sight, you'd think it would be a natural)
I know I posted about these sights last summer (I think) and contacted them suggesting Steyr's and I know a few others did at the time as well.