Steyr Mannlicher Austria update
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·They don't answer their msgs
Trust me, they don't answer their e-mails or phone messages. It took me MONTHS of work to be able to sell Steyrs once they quit using GSI as their importer.
Amy
Trust me, they don't answer their e-mails or phone messages. It took me MONTHS of work to be able to sell Steyrs once they quit using GSI as their importer.
Amy
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·I have emailed them before and heard back from then in less then 24 hours. Keep in mind they are quite a few hours ahead of us.
Don't over estimate Steyr
Its total Amature hour at Steyr Manchlicher. The real issue at Steyr. They don't have any inovators. I love my aug. but the company is a total joke and run by power hungry indiviguals who only like the american firearms
market as long as they can make a buck off us.
According to an ADI friend. Its only a matter of time that they go broke again. The reason is they have lost there core coprate culture that brought them the aug in 1977. All the designers have left Steyr and went to work for FN and HK. Thats why steyr runs out and makes Steyr Jackets instead of ACR's makes augs here. Steyr has been trying to make a AUG in the USA for the last 4 years with DSA. Hasn't happend because the tote hozer attitudes of Erwin Dentil and Amrget dorsfstmyer. Henrich we deserve better. In fact steyr has done everthing in its power to stop people from legaly importing parts and firearms from europe to america. Calling the people who do this "arms trafickers." Yet they have no problem selling to Iran and the likes of Uday huseighn.
Lets face it unless they make a reciever here and import the rest of the parts from penang malaysia for $300 bucks then assemble an aug and sell it here for $1000 - 1200 bucks before FN releases the SCAR and the FN 2000. Steyr will only remain what it is. A company which replaces barrels and small arms parts for its remaining customers it gained in the 1980's. With 3000 M class hand guns sitting in a whearhouse on the east coast becasue people don't want to pay $500 bucks for a M class hand gun.
Love the gun but the owners and its employees arn't really market savey.
Nick
Its total Amature hour at Steyr Manchlicher. The real issue at Steyr. They don't have any inovators. I love my aug. but the company is a total joke and run by power hungry indiviguals who only like the american firearms
market as long as they can make a buck off us.
According to an ADI friend. Its only a matter of time that they go broke again. The reason is they have lost there core coprate culture that brought them the aug in 1977. All the designers have left Steyr and went to work for FN and HK. Thats why steyr runs out and makes Steyr Jackets instead of ACR's makes augs here. Steyr has been trying to make a AUG in the USA for the last 4 years with DSA. Hasn't happend because the tote hozer attitudes of Erwin Dentil and Amrget dorsfstmyer. Henrich we deserve better. In fact steyr has done everthing in its power to stop people from legaly importing parts and firearms from europe to america. Calling the people who do this "arms trafickers." Yet they have no problem selling to Iran and the likes of Uday huseighn.
Lets face it unless they make a reciever here and import the rest of the parts from penang malaysia for $300 bucks then assemble an aug and sell it here for $1000 - 1200 bucks before FN releases the SCAR and the FN 2000. Steyr will only remain what it is. A company which replaces barrels and small arms parts for its remaining customers it gained in the 1980's. With 3000 M class hand guns sitting in a whearhouse on the east coast becasue people don't want to pay $500 bucks for a M class hand gun.
Love the gun but the owners and its employees arn't really market savey.
Nick
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·Edited to sound less bitter.
Nick1 you sound really angry, I am sorry you have had such bad dealings with the Steyr corporate office. The few times I have emailed them I found them to be very helpul and pleasant.
Nick1 you sound really angry, I am sorry you have had such bad dealings with the Steyr corporate office. The few times I have emailed them I found them to be very helpul and pleasant.
Hey
Not bitter its up to them to do what they want to with there product. Its not there fault that they have had money problems like AI etc. I am just trying to describe its cultural issues which have causued there inablity to properly get into the American , Spanish etc market.
I perfect example of this was a guy from spain who wanted to sell Augs in 222. The only legal caliber. They set prices and numbers and terms that wouldn't allow him to get off the ground. It all boils down to Steyr isnt hungry to make a buck and take the mesured risks to make it happen. The people who work for Steyr are on the goverment bill there not gun enthusiasits.
Thats what I have observed. Putting up a picture of petroglifs of people hunting on your website and talking about guns sold before the 1900's doesn't make you a market leader.
Steyr Manlichicher prove me wrong.
Nick
Not bitter its up to them to do what they want to with there product. Its not there fault that they have had money problems like AI etc. I am just trying to describe its cultural issues which have causued there inablity to properly get into the American , Spanish etc market.
I perfect example of this was a guy from spain who wanted to sell Augs in 222. The only legal caliber. They set prices and numbers and terms that wouldn't allow him to get off the ground. It all boils down to Steyr isnt hungry to make a buck and take the mesured risks to make it happen. The people who work for Steyr are on the goverment bill there not gun enthusiasits.
Thats what I have observed. Putting up a picture of petroglifs of people hunting on your website and talking about guns sold before the 1900's doesn't make you a market leader.
Steyr Manlichicher prove me wrong.
Nick
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Nick, get a grip on reality.
Steyr can't do more than they do.
Take the Spanish example: The guy wanted AUGs in a non-standard caliber (for AUGs. None that I know of have ever been made in anything other than 223).
That means retooling.
Do you think Steyr has a lot of extra production lines just lying around?
They'd have to expand.
To sell guns that are controlled by our materials-of-war laws to civilians in Spain (read: without an end user certificate).
The numbers they set were probably what was necessary to actually make any profit.
Another thing: You stated above that Steyr calls people exporting AUG parts "arms trafickers".
Now get this: Under Austrian law, that's what they are.
Not to mention your super-intelligent comment that they "only like the american firearms market as long as they can make a buck off us".
That's how business works, you dolt. Do you seriously expect anyone to just give you your toys for zero profit?
Steyr can't do more than they do.
Take the Spanish example: The guy wanted AUGs in a non-standard caliber (for AUGs. None that I know of have ever been made in anything other than 223).
That means retooling.
Do you think Steyr has a lot of extra production lines just lying around?
They'd have to expand.
To sell guns that are controlled by our materials-of-war laws to civilians in Spain (read: without an end user certificate).
The numbers they set were probably what was necessary to actually make any profit.
Another thing: You stated above that Steyr calls people exporting AUG parts "arms trafickers".
Now get this: Under Austrian law, that's what they are.
Not to mention your super-intelligent comment that they "only like the american firearms market as long as they can make a buck off us".
That's how business works, you dolt. Do you seriously expect anyone to just give you your toys for zero profit?
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·well they did go through the effort of setting up US offices and importing center.
It at least looks like they're trying to make an effort to break into the worlds largest civilian gun market.
It at least looks like they're trying to make an effort to break into the worlds largest civilian gun market.
Stuff
The guy from spain only wanted 50-100 guns. The conversion is a simple barrel change. Using a 222 reamer.
Importing replament parts such as spring etc is not arms smuggling.
Its not that Steyr wants to make a buck. Its the fact that they require down payment 12 months in advance. Their prices are majorly inflated above what the market will bare. They always ship orders late. And they expect the importer to take all the risks unlike other comapines.
Finally they have went through 5 importers in the last 3 years. And none of them has imported anything really useful.
Nick
The guy from spain only wanted 50-100 guns. The conversion is a simple barrel change. Using a 222 reamer.
Importing replament parts such as spring etc is not arms smuggling.
Its not that Steyr wants to make a buck. Its the fact that they require down payment 12 months in advance. Their prices are majorly inflated above what the market will bare. They always ship orders late. And they expect the importer to take all the risks unlike other comapines.
Finally they have went through 5 importers in the last 3 years. And none of them has imported anything really useful.
Nick
Let me end
HOpefully Steyr competeing for the next generation rifle contract XM8 will signal a turn around for Steyr. Now that Manufacting is taking place in Malaysia they now have many more hard working employees who can make there products at a fraction of the price it costs in Austria. I hope I can eat my words as well as my hat.
Untill then I am putting all my efforts in to my new website http://www.fn2000.com
The 1 year new owner of Steyr problay is working hard. And now with the cold war decline over and the instaliby presen't there is opportuinity out there. FN has been making M16's for a while and they arn't going to give up that easy.
Nick1
HOpefully Steyr competeing for the next generation rifle contract XM8 will signal a turn around for Steyr. Now that Manufacting is taking place in Malaysia they now have many more hard working employees who can make there products at a fraction of the price it costs in Austria. I hope I can eat my words as well as my hat.
Untill then I am putting all my efforts in to my new website http://www.fn2000.com
The 1 year new owner of Steyr problay is working hard. And now with the cold war decline over and the instaliby presen't there is opportuinity out there. FN has been making M16's for a while and they arn't going to give up that easy.
Nick1
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