Hello all, First off, this is my first post to the club, and I hope the boards do well and maybe Steyr execs may get wind of our interest here in the US. I have been thinking (after recently buying a Glock 30) about the similarities and differences between my Steyr and Glock. I just wanted to run through the design differences that I think make it unfair for people to think of Steyrs as Glock "rip-offs", as I have seen on many message boards (BTW I really like my G30, but I sleep with my Steyr :lol: ). 1) The steel sub-frame: The Steyr series has a steel sub-frame assembly inside the polymer frame. I am not aware of how many "polymer" pistols are designed in this fashion (comments?), but I know that Glocks are not. The slide rails in a Steyr are machined out of the top of the sub-frame, and all moving parts are supported by pins through the sub-frame. A Glock pistol's slide rails are pressed into recesses molded in the polymer frame, which also supports the pins for all moving trigger parts. This makes the Steyr almost a "Hybrid" steel / polymer pistol. This leads us to point #2... 2) The trigger: The trigger in my M40 is one of the best double action only triggers that I have personally felt. The takeup is clean and smooth, and the break is very clean and consistent. The trigger reset is also quite short. The Glock trigger is very similar, but is much "sloppier" in my opinion. The takeup is not nearly as smooth, and the break can feel slightly gritty. I believe that these differences can be accounted for by the sub-frame assembly of the Steyr, with the trigger and other moving parts supported by steel, instead of the polymer frame, like a Glock. 3) Slide Rails: The Steyr's slide rails are long, thick and machined out of steel (the top of the sub-frame). By contrast, the Glock's rails are made of a small (about half the length of the Steyr rails) tab of steel, pressed into a "L" shape, then pressed into molded openings in the polymer frame. The Glock's rails feel very small to me, and some older Glocks have had problems with them shearing off, although this has been (apparently) fixed in newer Glocks. 4) Magazines: The Steyr magazine bodies are made entirely from steel, just as the Glock magazines should have been from the beginning. The Glock magazines have gone through a few revisions over the years, and they have added more steel each time. The current revision is basically a steel body covered in polymer. I personally have had problems with my Glock magazines because of polymer mold flashing affecting travel of the follower. 5) Safety: This is a subjective matter, but I believe that the manual safety on the Steyr is designed very well. I see no reason why every semi-auto pistol does not have one in the same location, including Glocks. 6) Sights: The trapezoidal sights on the Steyr are one of those things that some people seem to love and others dislike. I, and my friends who have shot my M40, all love the sight setup. I find it much easier to use than tradtional three-dot sights, like those on the Glock. But to each his own on this one. 7) Grip Angle: The 111 degree grip angle of the Steyr makes it much more naturally pointable for me than the 109 (?) degree angle of the Glock. Again, a subjective point, but an important one to me none the less. So (if you are still reading...), These highlight why I think that the Steyr M series pistol is superior to the Glock designs. Sorry for the long post. Anyone think of any other reasons? Anyone think I'm full o' dookie? Comments? -- James W.