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Cool, but if you live in the US your stocked Steyr will have to be registered as a short barreled rifle. Even having it in the same house with a pistol upon which it can be installed (readily accessible) requires the registration. I heard there were some Glock owners who bought a similar stock off the Net (ebay, I believe) and had a rude wake-up call from the BATFE.

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Hiya Poly* :)

I emailed sportsarms about these stocks and got the following reply:

Dear Sir,

sorry the only piece in our web shop is the only piece in our stock.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Willi Reichert

Sportarms Waffenhandel GmbH
Friedenstrasse 39
76337 Waldbronn

Telefon 07243-63441
Fax 07243-63420
Email: [email protected]
Internet: http://www.sportarms.com
I'm not sure if he means that he has only one stock in inventory or whether this is the only item that they currently have in inventory. It may mean that this is the only item that they keep stocked and they only have one in inventory. <shrug> In which case, "Bummer, Dude. :(" I replied asking Willi to explain and asked for pricing +S&H USD. Legally, I haven't a clue what's expected and required. <shrug> Thanx for postin' this Poly*. You rock, Bro.

Kiora, Mate :)
 

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Also worth mentioning, I believe these only work with the original Ms...

As far as legal implications go, if you have an extended barrel you are OK. Buzz is probably right about the "contructive intent" or whatever they call it, but IANAL...
 

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Syntax360 said:
Also worth mentioning, I believe these only work with the original Ms...

As far as legal implications go, if you have an extended barrel you are OK. Buzz is probably right about the "contructive intent" or whatever they call it, but IANAL...
After my research into adding a 16" barrel to a G20, it's my understanding that as long as you put the long barrel on before the buttstock, you're legal. But you should not have the short barrel "nearby" whatever that means.

Now, where can I get a 16" barrel for my M357-A1? :twisted:
 

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Hiya John :)

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...where can I get a 16" barrel for my M357-A1? :twisted:
Contact Carmen at IGB. They did have a few in stock last month. Good luck. :)

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Syntax360 said:
Also worth mentioning, I believe these only work with the original Ms...

As far as legal implications go, if you have an extended barrel you are OK. Buzz is probably right about the "contructive intent" or whatever they call it, but IANAL...
There still may be an issue with the extended barrel and stock. At that point, while the gun may be of an adequate lenght to qualify as a rifle, you will need to file the correct federal form (the number I can't recall) because at that point you are considered to be manufacturing a new firearm. I looked into this with the Glock and the hoops that one would need to jump through just aren't worth it. Be very careful here, the BATFE is watching this one very closely and some folks got burned with the Glock stocks.

Just having the stock and the gun in the same general location is enough for the law to kick in. You need not put it on the gun to be liable.

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Wulf said:
Hiya John :)

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...where can I get a 16" barrel for my M357-A1? :twisted:
Contact Carmen at IGB. They did have a few in stock last month. Good luck. :)

Wulf
Right you are, Wulf.

I emailed IGB and here's the reply I got back from your good buddy Carmen.

Yes, we offer stock and 16" barrel for Steyr M357-A1.

The price for the set is USD 334,80
pls shipping as air priority package USD 32,50

Delivery time _ 4-6 weeks.

If you order pls return mail with shipping adress.
You get in return an order confirmation with a section to fill in your cc data.
That order confrimation is then pls faxed to the Faxnumber given on the order confirmation.

With best regards
Carmen Schranz
IGB Austria
So this means the "Baddest Tactical Pistol I can afford" is the M357-A1 I've already got, plus the IGB extras!

Now all I gotta do is twitch my nose and conjure up $367.30. At least I know what I'm saving for now. :mrgreen:
 

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Uhhhhh...

Do we have to get a tax stamp to to do this?

What hoops?

I'm ready to order....
 

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Buzz said:
Syntax360 said:
Also worth mentioning, I believe these only work with the original Ms...

As far as legal implications go, if you have an extended barrel you are OK. Buzz is probably right about the "contructive intent" or whatever they call it, but IANAL...
There still may be an issue with the extended barrel and stock. At that point, while the gun may be of an adequate lenght to qualify as a rifle, you will need to file the correct federal form (the number I can't recall) because at that point you are considered to be manufacturing a new firearm. I looked into this with the Glock and the hoops that one would need to jump through just aren't worth it. Be very careful here, the BATFE is watching this one very closely and some folks got burned with the Glock stocks.Buzz
About as big of a problem with the BATF as the "Seven parts compliance officers kicking down the door to check my FAL?" I bet...
 

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Here's some info on SBRs, AOFs et c. I ran across while researching the topic for my "Baddest Pistol."

Here’s what I found on National Firearms Act rules and regs. It’s written by a veteran law-enforcement officer and NRA Certified instructor, plus certified armorer for Glock, H&K, Remington and Colt.

"In the Supreme court case of Thompson/ Center Arms v. US, - U.S. - (1994) ATF said it (SBR) was a set consisting of a receiver, a 16"+ barrel, a pistol grip stock, a shoulder stock, and a barrel less than 16 inches long. The idea of the kit was that you needed only one receiver, and you could have both a rifle and pistol in one gun.

"While making a pistol out of a rifle is making a short rifle, ATF has long approved of converting a pistol into a rifle, and then converting it back into a pistol, that was not an issue. (My emphasis. This is a crucial point.)

"T/C made one set on a Form 1, then sued for a tax refund, claiming the set was not a SBR, unless it actually was assembled with the shoulder stock, and short barrel, something they instructed the purchaser of the set not to do. The Supreme court disagreed with ATF, and agreed with Thompson/Center.

"The court said that a set of parts was not a short barreled rifle, unless the only way to assemble the parts was into a short barreled rifle. As this set had a legitimate, legal, use for all the parts it was OK."
And on Glocktalk.com, I got the following reply about SBR and AOW regs as they apply to a G20 with long barrel and buttstock.

"I am a lawyer and an leo (don't ask any more questions because I like to remain anonymous on public forums).

"I have a Glock and was interested in putting a 16" inch barrel on it with a buttstock (for cheap 'rifle' plinking at the range). I did the research, printed the Thompson case up and some ATF interpretations of applicable federal regs from their website. I believe that the state of the law is as was previously mentioned until there is a new case to overturn it. And that's how the law works. It is what it is until there is a new holding.

"But as of now, I believe that you can have your Glock with your stock barrel and you can have a 16" barrel nearby...LEGALLY. You can also have a buttstock nearby. The key in my opinion is to NEVER PUT THE BUTTSTOCK ON THE FRAME WITHOUT FIRST INSTALLING THE LONG BARREL."
Now all I gotta do is scrape up the bucks for the IGB barrel and buttstock, plus $84.76 for a IGB scope mount, plus a Red Dot scope, plus about a ton of 357 Sig ammo! :mrgreen:
 

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I would rather spend the $200 on another tax stamp than on a long barrel. And the tax stamp would erradict any worries of legal troubles, and my rig with the can + stock would be just plain sexy. Gonna need a red dot and top mount to really complete the setup...


Something wicked this way comes.... :twisted:
 

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Syntax360 said:
I would rather spend the $200 on another tax stamp than on a long barrel. And the tax stamp would erradict any worries of legal troubles, and my rig with the can + stock would be just plain sexy. Gonna need a red dot and top mount to really complete the setup...


Something wicked this way comes.... :twisted:

Do I hear an Evolution v4.0 in the making????
 

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I've been kicking around the idea of paying the SBR tax on mine, then getting a threaded barrel and a can :D


But its been a lot of fun even with the 16" barrel ... even though I bet it would shoot better with the pistol barrel (dunno though because I'm not risking Agent Schmuckatelli stomping my kittens)
 

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So...... What I am getting is:

The Tax Stamp is only for SBR?

The 'Carbine' requires no special paperwork?

[Thanks for the references NetfotoJ] :)
 

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Right. And if you're going SBR, it prolly wouldn't hurt to throw a $5 AOW stamp in the processing "mix", too - then you could slap a picatinny foregrip on it if you wanted... If only select fire was an option.... :evil:
 

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So...... What I am getting is:

The Tax Stamp is only for SBR?

The 'Carbine' requires no special paperwork?

[Thanks for the references NetfotoJ] :)
That is correct. As long as you slap a 16" long barrel on it you're fine without any NFA taxes

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Right. And if you're going SBR, it prolly wouldn't hurt to throw a $5 AOW stamp in the processing "mix", too - then you could slap a picatinny foregrip on it if you wanted
$5 tax is to TRANSFER an AOW ... it still costs $200 to MAKE an AOW.

Once you've SBR'd it, the AOW stamp for a foregrip would be unnecessary as its now a rifle (even without the stock attached)
 
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