short stroking?

Discussion in 'Tactics and Training' started by FlaChef, Jul 21, 2005.

  1. FlaChef

    FlaChef Guest

    Ok just returned from the first night of begginer's competition handgun. My draw is imeasurably better (as basicly i had no idea of form before) though i have to work on indexing as i tend to need to readjust my grip going from position 2 to 3.

    One question i had for all of you, our instructor told us finger all the way off the trigger between shots and not to short stroke it (riding it foward until it JUST resets). He says this is a big reason for guns to hiccup and that if we come all the way off the trigger that pretty much ANY semi-auto would benefit and there is no REAL benefit in speed.

    So for all you old hand pistoleros, is this true?

    Thanks to IDPA steyr my grip was pretty much perfect off the bat 8) Though i have a hard time bending my weak hand wrist far enough down (carpal tunnell and arthritis before 30 is a butch).
  2. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Short stroking, as he calls it, is one of the best kept secret of Steyr and glock action. You can shoot a Steyr and Glock faster than some other pistols, like SIGs.

    SIGs are great but the takeup and reset is just too long to shoot fast.

  3. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I would disagree with him just from the standpoint of consistency. Once you get your finger on the trigger, it's more consistent to keep it there for subsequent shots. If you take your finger completely off after every shot, then you have to reindex it every of those times it's going to be "off" and effect your shot.

    If you learn how your particular gun works and feels, then I think you will train your finger to reset the proper distance for the follow-up shot. I just don't like the idea of getting a "new" grip on the trigger for each and every shot.


  4. IDPASteyr

    IDPASteyr Guest

    Rob Leatham advocates "bouncing" your finger off the trigger guard for this reason. It seems to work very well for him.

    I don't advocate this approach for beginners as it tends to cause them to slap the trigger and throw their shots low and inside. I find the reset and keep on the trigger.
  5. Deluxe247

    Deluxe247 Supporting Member

    Wow, it's funny to hear terms that are a staple in paintball being used for real handguns.

    Short stroking is common for some types of PB markers and I guess now that I think of it, it applies to real guns too. I don't think you need to take your finger completely off the trigger after every shot. You just need to feel how far out to let it go to reset. When I let my brother fire my M9 he short strokes it all the time and gets of two shots with one trigger pull. It's almost like a double tap but it looks like full auto is about to kick in. Much like the "Trigger Bounce" described below. He normaly shoots a G23 and his finger is just used to the Glock action. It scares the crap out of each time he does it, pretty funny to watch.

    Trigger bounce is another PB term we use for electronic markers, You can actually hold your finger right next to the trigger (touching it) and as the marker starts firing the kick can cause the marker to move aginst your finger causing it to fire again and so on. You are not actually pulling the trigger, just using it's own momentum to cycle. I know it's not the same thing that IDPA Steyr is talking about but interesting none the less.

  6. Guest

    Guest Guest