PT Night Sights Installed - Pictures and Range Report

Discussion in 'M, C, L and S Series' started by Guest, Jan 29, 2006.

  1. Guest

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    I finally got my M9 and S9 slides back from PT Night Sights and went to the range this morning. I went with the Green front dot/rear horizontal bar as I believe this is the simplest sight picture for low-light shooting. You simply put the dot over the bar making a sight picture that looks like an underlined donut and you're pretty much on target. Plus the front dot is much brighter than the rear bar so you naturally focus on the front sight in low-light, which should enhance accuracy. Much superior to 3-dot sights, IMHO.

    I shot my M9 and S9 in IDPA competition starting around May of last year and put about 9,000 rounds combined through both guns using the stock triangle/trap sights. Until now I believed the triangle/trap sights were superior to a conventional post/notch picture, but now I'm not so sure. I like the triangle front, but I find the stock rear trapezoid is an unnatural shape and there is too much space in the stock sight picture for accurate shooting past 10 yards. It makes me wonder how the front triangle teamed with a conventional notch would do...

    The PT Night Sights daylight picture is a fairly wide front post with the Tritium gas vial in the middle, surrounded by a white ring. It fits the rear notch without too much space left on either side:
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    I couldn't get the camera to focus on the front sight, I'll have to try again. I think the white outline around the tritium vial is nice and makes the front sight very visible.

    There is a mark where the sight pusher or punch contacted the right of the rear sight when they installed it on the M9 slide:
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    There is a similar mark on the right edge of the front sight dovetail. You can also see in the first picture above that there are a couple of marks on the rear sight to the left and right sides of the notch, not sure where these came from but probably from the fixture they use to install the rear Tritium bar. You don't notice any of these marks when you are shooting.

    I also would have preferred horizontal serrations on the sight surfaces to elimnate reflections as on Heinie, Dawson and other after market sights, although I shot in daylight today and I didn't notice it (I did not have the sun to my back, however).

    I shot some 25-yard 5-shot groups standing stabilised over a table with Winchester White Box 115gr FMJ, UMC 115gr FMJ and Winchester Ranger SXT 147gr JHP (my carry load). I held the sights with the front sight covering half of the 2" Shoot-N-C I placed in the middle of 8" paper plates. Here is the M9 5-shot group with Ranger SXT:
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    There is a called flyer at the bottom of the plate, and if you throw that out the remaining 4 shots are in a nice 2" group. This load shoots very soft and I am confident in using it for self defense based on its performance in FBI-type tests and its documented performance by the IWBA (International Wound Ballistics Association).

    Here is the 5-shot group with the S9 and Ranger SXT:
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    I pulled the first shot again and it is the first shot at the bottom edge of the plate. If you throw that one out the other 4 shots (1 double hole at the edge of the Shoot-N-C) are in about 3 inches. Quite acceptable for a 3.5-inch compact at 25 yards!

    I didn't shoot that many groups for accuracy and believe I could have gotten the groups sizes down a little bit. The Ranger SXT was the most accurate with WWB and UMC being very close to each other with about 1" larger groups. FWIW, WWB had the stoutest recoil, UMC was noticeably less and Ranger SXT was significantly milder still. This seems to confirm the chrono testing of another member that I read in the ammo/reloading section.

    I practiced clearing a steel 6-plate falling rack at 20 and 10 yards and was very pleased with the sight picture and speed. At 10 yards I also shot at the paper plates after clearing the plate rack and with the S9 I was able to put 3 rounds rapid-fire into the Shoot-N-C sticker and they hit exactly point-of-aim at that distance.

    I compared the guns back to back with my newest competition gun, a Glock 34 with Dawson Precision adjustable sights (blank rear and red fiber optic front). The Steyrs had noticeably less muzzle flip which I believe is due to the grip angle and lower bore axis. However, I am slightly faster and more accurate with the Glock, those Dawson sights and custom trigger combined with that long sight radius are AWESOME.

    My Steyrs are my carry guns, so I like the stock trigger and now with the PT Night Sights I am supremely confident in my gear. Overall, I am very pleased with the PT Night Sights and at our group buy discount price of $69.00 plus shipping (with free installation if you send them your slide) I think it is a perfect upgrade, especially if you carry your Steyr for self-defense. If you don't know about the special offer for SteyrClub members, go to this thread: http://www.steyrclub.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1384

    I really wish Steyr would come out with their version of the Glock 34 (long sight radius), I would shoot that exclusively in IPSC Production and IDPA matches. After posting that wish here 6 months ago, they still don't have one and I spent $780 on a Glock set up for competition. I think IDPASteyr was working on a competition Steyr project, I wonder how that is going...

    Jeff
     
  2. Guest

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    Jeff, thanks for the throrough report!

    Finally? How long did it take (I just shipped my slide to them a couple of days ago).

    This is quite disappointing to me, since I am specifically sending the maker my slide with the expectation that they can properly fit the sights without damaging them (or the slide, obviously). I have a local gunsmith that has put night sights on several of my guns without leaving any trace or mark, so this is a bit disconcerting.

    This makes me wonder if (a) the installer is not paying attention, or (b) the sites are made of an inferior/soft material?
     

  3. Guest

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    I-Shoot,

    I sent my slides in just after New Year's Day, so it was about 2.5 weeks total turnaround. When I spoke to Jerrie Ling she told me that they claim 7-10 day turnaround once they receive the slide until they ship it back. So I guess that is on par considering I sent them 2 slides. I think ScottW got his slide back in just over 1 week.

    I was also a bit disappointed about the marks on the sights from the installation, but I am not fastidious about my guns. I heard from a local gunsmith that the Steyr dovetails are VERY tight and difficult to work with, so I was not surprised. It is important to note that there were no marks on the slides themselves. I also have some slide wear from my Kydex Comp-Tac holsters so now I don't care too much about the appearance of the guns. The marks I described are fairly innocuous and I don't even notice them now.

    If you feel differently when you receive your slide back I would hope that PT would address it.

    I went to the range again today and set up a few IDPA/IPSC style drills and I am convinced that I am more accurate with the PT Night Sights. I had a short course of fire with 2 Mozambique drills on 2 IDPA targets while moving to cover at 5 and 7 yards, then engaged another target from 25 yards. The first time I ran the drill it felt fast and I was down zero (no shots outside the 8-inch center or head) with 4 fast shots on the 25-yard target. I had shot a similar drill with the OEM Steyr sights and was always down 1 or 2 on the far target. To reiterate, I do like the OEM front triangle, but the rear trapezoid just doesn't offer enough precision and "natural alignment" for ME to achieve the accuracy I am looking for.

    Again, I am very pleased with the sight picture of the PT Night Sights and will be shooting the Steyr/PT combo in competition for the first time at next weekend's local IDPA Match.

    Jeff
     
  4. steveinaz

    steveinaz New Member

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    The damage they did to your sight is unaccepable. I'd raise holy-hell about that, and make them replace it.
     
  5. Guest

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    I contacted PT about it, and they responded. I have not asked their permission to publicly post their response, so I won't. I will say that they would not guarantee that the sites will not be marked (in fact, they implied that some marking is inevitable).

    Has anyone had PT or any other sights put on a Steyr without any marking at all?
     
  6. srfl

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    Bob Cogan's Accurate Plating & Weaponry also put a mark on the rear sight of a new pair of night sights I purchased from Steyr USA last year. The mark is very small, but it's there nonetheless.....AP&W is not a Mickey Mouse operation, so if they marked the rear sight, I guess it can happen to anyone else installing new sights.
     
  7. ScottW

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    There are a couple of small marks on my PTs (installed by PT) but nothing that affects function or caused actual damage. Merely cosmetic on mine. And absolutely no marks on the slide.
     
  8. Guest

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    Since I jumped onto this thread before, rather than start a new one I'll just mention here that I just got my slide back from PT: the sites look great, the service was great.

    I brought them into a dark room and held them up next to the Meprolights that I just installed on my HK USPc, and the PT's are brighter, and I don't know how, but they present a more crisp clear image. Both sets are orange/green, and I even cleaned off the HK ones thinking it might be lint build up from carrying it. The PT's are impressive.
     
  9. Guest

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    Cool! I'm glad they didn't ding up your sights and you are happy. How old are the Meps on our HK?

    Jeff
     
  10. Guest

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    The Meps on the HK are about three weeks old, as far as I know. I bought them from Midway.com, no telling how long they sat on a shelf there -- but I don't think Meprolight has been around too long. They are guaranteed for 12 years, but they don't have a production date on them (in any obvious way, it might be encoded in a serial number). It would be kind of cool if they would put a "born on" date on the package.

    In the past I've had guns with Trijicons, Novaks night sights, and what ever WC puts on their guns. But the Meps that came with my Kimber Tactical (and then later my Kahrs) were my favorites, so recently I started putting them on everything including my revolvers. Too bad I didn't find out about PT sooner -- I've put on four sets of Meps in the last two months. I like the Meps and overall I'm satisfied with them, the PT's are just brighter and sharper.
     
  11. friedrice

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    Just seeing how these have been working out for you so far?
    Have any night pics?
     
  12. Guest

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    I can't remember whom, but someone here posted night pictures of their PT Night Sights. They are definitely bright, others have posted that they are apparently brighter than their Meprolights, which I had heard were among the brightest of the top brands. I could try to get some night pictures but it didn't work too well when I tried before.

    As an update to the sights, I still absolutely love them and they have held up well to over 1,000 rounds now. I just won my Division in a major IDPA match that had 5 no-light stages, the PT Night Sights definitely proved to be an advantage in those conditions.

    Jeff
     
  13. ScottW

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    Here's some pics of mine in the dark:
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    If you sit about arm's length from your monitor, this would be your sight picture at something close to actual size:
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    They have a whole bunch of different configurations available for the rear sight (check their website), but I think they all use a single green dot for the front.

    Mine are holding up great and I'm shooting much tighter groups than I did with the stock sights. 8)
     
  14. Guest

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    Sweet! ScottW's pictures are so good I won't even attempt. I do love my simple horizontal rear bar and front dot (both green). Super fast alignment and no dot confusion at all for me.

    Jeff
     
  15. friedrice

    friedrice New Member

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    That orange dot green bar style is sweet. I was thinking going with red instead but maybe orange is the way to go.
     
  16. ScottW

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    Yeah I went with that configuration to hopefully get the best of both worlds. In more rapid fire I find myself ignoring the rear dots and just focusing on the front sight and aligning with the rear bar. Works great. I figured the three dots could be useful for slower precision shooting, but in reality they may be unnecessary because most of that is done in well-lit situations where the outline of the sights themselves (rear notch and front post) is sufficient. So I could go either way regarding the rear dots. I definitely don't find them to be distracting though. As for red vs. orange, I figured orange would generally appear brighter than red, but without seeing them side by side I can't say for sure. It basically comes down to personal preference.
     
  17. Just_watching

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    @ jng1226
    any extra pics from the front sight, I'm primarily interested in the length of the baseplate of that.
     
  18. Guest

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    Hi there, I haven't been back here in a while, sorry I missed your question. What specifically are you interested in? I'm not sure I understand. The lenth of the dovetail is the limiting factor.

    Jeff