Potential competitor for the M9

Discussion in 'M, C, L and S Series' started by Guest, Oct 11, 2005.

  1. Guest

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  2. Flashpoint

    Flashpoint New Member

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    If someone would like to give me a MA1 and M&P I'd be happy to compare and contrast. :D

    Seriously, I've read some good stuff about the M&P over on Glocktalk.
     

  3. Shooter

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    It a beauty alright........I keep looking at the thin bore axis of the m's and wonder why nobody else has really done this.......S&W looks like it may have a winner if it is up to the test.....it got good reviews in a recent magazine artilce.....Damn, another gun to buy 8O
     
  4. Guest

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    Not only that ... but the M&P will have a steel sub-frame, just like the M9! 8)
     
  5. madecov

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    If the steel sub frame is similar or the same maybe they will have another law suit on their hands.

    I think if the trigger is decent it will be a big winner and a major player.
     
  6. Guest

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    Interesting looking S&W pistol. Anyone have any idea how it compares in overall size and weight to the M9, smaller, bigger, about the same; what about grip size relative to the M9 or A1?
     
  7. Shooter

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    Steel sub-frame is new to me.....what is the difference from M's to (sub-frame) Glock?
     
  8. Guest

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    I am not totally sure that steel sub-frames are proprietary to Steyr so I don't think a lawsuit would fly. But I'm not lawyer ... but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! :p


    The M&P (~24-25 oz) weighs less than the M9 and A1 (~28-29 oz). In terms of size and shape, the new M&P seems to be most similar to their SW9VE moddel. Trigger is supposed to be excellent on the M&P.
     
  9. Auburn

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    Check this out:

    http://www.firearms.smith-wesson.com/userimages/MP_CAD_DWG.pdf

    It's a big image, so it may take few seconds to download.
     
  10. Deluxe247

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    They Steyrs have a metal subframe that contains all the working pieces for the trigger, rails, etc.. The Glock has it's parts inbedded into the polymer of the frame itself.

    This subframe makes the action much tighter, stronger and more accurate because it doesn't flex as much. It also aids in cleaning and repairs because you can basically remove all the working parts from the gun in one piece:

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    -D
     
  11. icecreamman

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    the angle of the grip looks a little less inspired than the steyrs
     
  12. Shooter

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    Thanks for explaining the metal sub-frame..........More surprises from an underrated firearm........someone needs to get these guys a good PR rep..
    and marketing company.........although I like the idea of best kept secret
    in the firearms industry........any other "wows" Good quality, good trigger, steel subframe, triangle sights, ergonomic design, low bore axis........ not too pricey!!!!! ??????? :D
     
  13. madecov

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    If Steyr wasn't so well unknown
    There would be a whole cottage industry of aftermarket parts. like the glock.

    I would love a steel guide rod with Wolff springs in various weights available easily. maybe a lasermax internal laser. how about a magazine well? etc.
     
  14. bigbob68

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    I think I'll wait awhile before running out and buying a M&P. When I first saw their ad in American Rifleman I thought it looked interesting. I feel it is a better product than my XD and a competitor for others.
     
  15. Shooter

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    Good points MrApathy..........liking my Steyr more and more............ :D
     
  16. Guest

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    Point taken ... but one needn't be too worried about the life of a Smith firearm as they have one of the best customer service reputations in the industry. Unlike many other companies, their LIFETIME warranty really means something as they really back their products up should you have a problem. Plus, the round count would likely need to be really high before you'd start seeing an issue.
     
  17. Deluxe247

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    Here is the Defense Review.com review: http://www.defensereview.com/modules.ph ... le&sid=796

    Here is the reviewers take on their "subframe":

    No mention of the Steyr at all... :( I guess we just fall (as usual), into the "etc" category.

    -D