New Pistol by Wilhelm Bubits

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  1. IlovemyM9

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  2. posterboy7

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    Caracal

    Looks a heck of a lot like a Steyr M to me.

    The website looks great but loses big point for having useless and confusing intro pages to each section. (I design web sites.) I asume the gun is more intuitive.
     

  3. Shooter

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    fasinating.................good find.......... 8)
     
  4. posterboy7

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    In the future...

    Someone might have to rename this site "Bubits Club: Your Online Guns by Wilhelm Bubits Resource"

    Doesn't quite have the same ring...
     
  5. Syntax360

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    First link is dead.

    It does look a lot like a Steyr - trap shaped rear sights with standard front looks interesting (probably the pistols best quality). It would also be cool if those factory 18 round mags were interchangeable, but I highly doubt it. The front grip accessory is cool, though it would be NFA here in the states. Perhaps a picatinny version for our M's coupled with the IGB stock - that might work?

    I'm not digging the safety key lockout on the magazine. Interchangeable straps and the ambi mag release is appealing.

    All in all, it looks like a M-A1 crossbred with a Taurus 24/7 - and produced a few more useless features.
     
  6. MrApathy

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    Bubbits and the owner of IGB made the M series Pistol Steyr bought it. do a search on the patent for the steyr m series pistol.
    patent info is cool to read.
     
  7. IlovemyM9

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    I can't find the patent. Can you post a link?
     
  8. MrApathy

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    search the forum keyword patent
     
  9. West01

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    :D

    Thanks for the post IlovemyM9.

    Could the love between Wilhelm Bubits and Steyr Arms be over? (or was it over long time ago)...:roll:

    Is this a Steyr Arms spin-off of their handgun division?...And was this the news that everyone was waiting for from Steyr Arms USA?

    Or is someone pulling the rug under of Steyr feet?

    Or just a CZ/Tanfoglio thing?

    If this website is not bogus... and someone went into a lot trouble creating this...
    Investment from from the UAE is usually serious business.

    Hold-on on your Steyr M's guys. They may gain in collector value and end up like the GB. :lol:

    I hope this is more like a HS Industry - Springfield Armory deal....

    What do you guys think about the striker/sear design and the grip slide? :wink:

    http://www.caracal.ae/images/trigger.gif
    http://www.caracal.ae/images/longestslide.gif

    Cheers!

    :D

    West01

    "same bat channel, same bat time..."
     
  10. ronin67

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    Is this gun for sale in the USA yet? I like the looks of it and may get one. Any input from anyone would be deeply appreciated.

    Ronin :)
     
  11. ministerofdeath

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    Is it just me or does this pistol look to have less of the low bore axis that we find on the Steyr M?

    I like the grip though and the rail. Just doesn't look like it have the Steyr low bore axis, which reduces the recoil and gives better natural point. Maybe I'm wrong though...hard to tell from pictures.
     
  12. Shooter

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    its definately not as cool as the Steyr design.....it kinda looks "bore" ing.......... :lol:
     
  13. MrApathy

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    hard to tell from the pics.
    probably slightly higher.

    grip doesnt look as compact as the steyr. M&P like.

    slide again doesnt have much height like the steyr. looks about like the glock.
    look at the grip angle.
     
  14. Just_watching

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    well Willy Bubits was working for glock, when he was showing Gaston Glock his M/S idea Gaston kicked him out & Willy designed the Steyr M/S in Steyr BUT the IGB owner Victor Schranz was responsible that the Steyr M/S is runnig :!: Willy couldn`t do this.

    Yes ! the Caracal ist 80% based on Steyr with IMHO some good or bad modifications ...........
    for my opinion: it seems the mag`s are very similar to Steyr`s (because they are made by an italian company) may be they will fit into the Steyr and if it`s true I dream come true ....mor mag-capacity (16x .40) would be great........

    btw: I like this front sight unit ...could be, it works also for am Steyr M. the front sight cut-out ilooks like also very similar to Steyr`s.
     
  15. West01

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    IMHO, I would say 40% Steyr M, 40% Taurus PT 24/7 and 20% Glock..... :wink:

    The overall geometry of the pistol (low bore site, slanted grip and all.) is similar to the Steyr but I think the analogy stop there. It looks like the trigger system is design with a disconnector approach similar to the Glock or the 24/7. Although its also look like they have designed a rocking sear/disconnector drop safety feature like the Steyr.

    I'm maybe wrong, they may have introduce a striker(firing pin) blocking mechanism. The drawing on the website is not to clear about this.

    The srtiker is interesting. No familiar coaxial spring/firing pin scheme here. I'm very curious on the benefit of that approach. The modular and replaceable striker/firing pin housing that insert in the slide is quite clever. I do not recall any auto design in this way....

    The grip slide (trigger housing) reminds me more of the PT 24/7. They use a lot of drift pins assembly like the Glock. I'm curious if the slide housing is machined in one solid metal block like the Steyr or a stack of parts pined together...??? This could be a weak point for the Caracal.

    The large capacity and grip reminds me of PT 24/7 but also similar to the Beretta Storm PX
    :)

    Anywho.... :D

    It will take a least a year (if not two) before we can see one of these baby in the US. Import permit, liability insurance, service and support and so on and so on.

    But the most interesting things will be how can a young start-up company like Caracal will match production quality against a company like Steyr with a long tradition of quality and precision....

    Cheers!

    :D


    West01
     
  16. BulletBait

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    It'll be interesting to see if this even goes into production.
    Probably will seeing how the Saudis have all the world's money.

    QC will be in the crapper IMO.
     
  17. uncle_walty

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    Looks like it'll go into production for at least 25000 units. Does not appear to be rushing state side anytime soon.

    Caracal International wins contracts at IDEX
    posted on 22/02/2007
    Caracal International LLC, the first Emirati Company to specialise in Small Arms manufacturing industry in the UAE announced yesterday that it had signed contracts worth Dh30 million.

    The newly launched firm won three contracts to supply 10,000 pistols from the UAE Armed Forces and another contract to supply the same number to the UAE police. The company will also supply 5000 pistols to Bahrain, said Hamad Khalifa Al Neyadi, Managing Director of Caracal.

    "Following our impressive show at IDEX, the company looks forward to expanding its activities in cooperation with the private sector to lay the foundations of the defence industry in the country and the Gulf region", said Al Neyadi during a press briefing at IDEX. (Emirates News Agency, WAM)
     
  18. SELFDEFENSE

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    Just what I would need in a free-for-all after a terrorist attack in D.C. A gun that screams United Arab Emirates :shock:
     
  19. West01

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