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Discussion in 'The Pub' started by Netfotoj, Feb 9, 2007.
Stole this from http://www.townhall.com/
We had them during WWII also, but once the shooting started the culture was strong enough to make it clear that the time was over for protest.
The Liberals Recognize That Americans are Loyal to the Troops.
They will always have a difficult time having us fail in Iraq as long as it is still popular to support the troops.
So, they are slowly and bit by bit inching their way toward a negative attitude about the troops.
Every now and then a liberal will test the waters and really show their true colors by just coming out and saying what they all think.
It is really about steps for these people to get what they want defeat in Iraq, which will equal defeat of the Republican party.
Once they have us fail in Iraq they know they will be able to take absolute power in the Congress and the Executive.
As soon as they have absolute power they can put in place their Secular and progressive soceity.
The END GAME here is about bringing the United States into a state that is more like the socialist states we see in Europe.
I'll leave it up to individuals to decide whether that will be a good thing or a bad thing. [/b]
Its kinda funny how the people that dodged drafts and never served for their country are the quickest to send other people's kids to war.
Check out the above link where you can see the "cowardly" liberals put their money where their mouth is and serve their country compared to the brave conservatists that are all talk and gung ho as long as it doesnt involve them.
You know Conservatives are human too: They Lie, Cheat, Steal and Bribe just like Liberals.
I could put together a list that would show a whole bunch of "liberals" who haven't served and a bunch of "conservatives" who have.
What the heck does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Anyone who is of the opinion that a withdrawal from Iraq is even possible now or even a year from now without grave consequences for both those in Iraq who have stepped forward because of our support, the middle east, American security at home, or the world at large need to wake up.
This whole war has been one mistake after another, because this whole war has been a rush to please liberals.
The administration turned power over to Iraqis much too soon. It was wrong of us to hand over a country filled with security issues and sectarian violence and expect the Iraqis to handle it.
This constant rush to get out of Iraq will only prolong our stay. Like trying to rush anything else in life you don't do as well as you could have had you taken your time.
Now the President has a "real plan" and now the United States is starting to ignore political BS from Iraqi politicians who are either corrupt or self-serving.
The security plan is sound and will work if they can put it into practice fast enough instead of doing it bit by bit.
This is not just some random list of conservatives if you had read it properly it is a list that includes the biggest advocates of war that have never seen the harsh realities of it. Thus making it a big deal since they smear the liberals as being cowards and not supporting the troops while being the biggest cowards born with silver spoons in their mouths themselves.
Agreed this situation is impossible to have a definitive rite answer to. But one thing is rest assured this war in Iraq has created more terrorists than it has destroyed and has breed more hate for the US in the world than ever before.
This whole war has been a mistake yes but not because it was rushed to please the liberals but because everyone that knew anything about war strats and advised the President not to go was either fired or stepped down. Time and time generals would advise one thing and this administration would do the other and would retire or smear the general's or adviser's reputation.
Iraqis are still not in power US is still calling all the shots and controlling everything.
True iraq can not be rushed. And like all things in life listening to people with experience instead of calling them non patriots, smearing their service to their country and making them step down from their posts would prevent you from making mistakes that will cost you, me and our children's children in the debt accumulated from this blunder.
The president is too late with his real plan. This war has been going on for coming up four years under a false pretense to the american people. Hooray for the president for coming up with a plan three years too late....please save the excuses of iraqi politicians for someone else.... you know that it is untrue, they had no government no politicians for a whole year or more infact even the politicians that are heading the government in iraq were appointed by the US after the invasion where any plan could be implemented instead things have only gotten worse.
I am neither a conservatist or liberal but i dont blindly support anyone's actions when i know in my heart that it was wrong.
Wulf <-- Thinks Liberals taste like chicken :twisted:
Couldn't have said it better myself. Liberal "chicken hawks" give me a pain in the southern hindparts. But if only those who have served in the military were allowed to serve in Congress, we would have much better leaders.
Well said netphoto if that ever happened there wont be any conservatives in office.... :evil:
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BBQ at my house, BYOL!!!
I really dislike arguments of liberals and conservatives it just drives a wedge into this nation.
both republican and democrat parties are doing bad things in this country and what is needed is a revolution party to restore this nation to a weaker form of Federalism. IRS,ATF and other agencies can write and interpret rules which become law and screw peoples lives and families up something awefull. way to many secrets and classified information and hidden agenda which is not the agenda of the people of this country.
Here, here, MrAp
Dayam straight! :twisted:
MrAp for Weak Federalist Party Presidential Nominee ! (Steyrclub crowd goes wild )
Wulf <-- Once started a halfway house for girls that wouldn't go all the way 8)
I've often thought about how popular a middle of the road party would be, as it seems to encompass most of America. The problem would be generating the initial thrust into the mainstream. It would require circumventing the mainstream media outlets, newspapers, news shows, and cable networks, since everygoddam one of them is in someone's pocket and whoring themselves out to whoever gives them money, or whoever's agenda closely mirrors their own. It would require deep inroads to the middle class.
Honestly, I can't say anyone since Teddy Roosevelt has been particularly inspiring. I miss that generation, as there fordamnsure is not that class of man around any more.
should of seen the two candidates one from green and libertarian party that protested outside of the building where a presidential debate was taking place. think they might have been arrested.
they wanted to take part in the debate.
3rd parties have risen up before in America and made change
Anti Masonic Party the first third party. they rose to get some changes done and spread out gained influence got a Governor elected and had a Presidential candidate but lost focus and became contradictory leading to its demise. they brought about the convention system.
problem with the convention system is sometimes the candidates are rotten and people wind up stuck with no choice could always try to write in but that doesnt work well. was a good thread on thefiringline.com legal and political section on if you could change the government. lots of good idea's on changes for government.
shouldnt be stuck voting for lesser of two evils.
though the founders considered Government to be a necessary evil.
I am sure many will consider guns to be the same. but its easy to have guns sit around and do nothing harmfull.
2 prob's with that Thunder*, didn't Teddy start the IRS-thing? And, what kinda hero would appreciate rollin' 'is wheelchair thru a shitty quagmire o' no-backboned, limp-wristed, bought-out politian-shit? 8-O What's the point for our hero? On the other hand, what's the fuckin' attraction for "politicians" in modern times? 8-O
Wulf <-- Hasn't a clue
Wrong Roosevelt Wulf.
Teddy did the Spanish-American War thing; President after McKinley's assassination; started the Bull Moose Party to run against Taft, the Republican party choice. Largely a self-made man (although the scion of a wealthy family). Shot a man in a gunfight while a cowboy in the Dakotas. Was shot in an assassination attempt, but shook it off & continued his speech (kind of like Reagan said to Nancy when he was shot: Honey, I should have ducked). Tough SOB.
His distant cousin, Franklin (FDR), did the stuff you are talking about--President from 1932 until death in 1944 (serving his 4th term as President). Had polio--hid it from the voters. He engineered all of the social welfare stuff of that era in response to the collapse of the economy in the Great Depression. We are still paying that bill.
Teddy is worth studying.
Good Info. Doc.
But I think the last statement could be attributed to the sixties President Johnson "Great Society" policies.
Please remember that in the fifties most people purchased their first home Cash....
Wrong Roosevelt, again! Make that 3 prob's. :roll: Sorry bout that, Chief. <shrug>
Wulf <-- stayin' the -Hell- outta history posts