Well at the risk of offending anyone I went ahead and gave it another try :shock: First I would like to say I am using belt clips I got from Rich for the photo shoot. Thanks to info from Rich I will be bending some metal as soon as I get to my dads to use his break!!! At that point I will show pic's of what I come up with.. So viewer beware!!!! May not for those with a weak stomach !!!!! I guess I got some glue on the leather I can't get enough light for a good pic..