Is new MA1 extractor better than older M/S Series?

Discussion in 'M, C, L and S Series' started by Guest, Apr 10, 2005.

  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Anyone out there with a new MA1 know if the ejection pattern is more consistent than on the earlier M/S series? I finally took a shell in the face this weekend after about 600 rounds, and I find that unacceptable. I let some friends shoot my Steyr again this weekend and one them took a shell in the face too. Watching them shoot my S9, the ejection was just all over the place, with some rounds going perfectly to the right at a slight rearward angle, and some just going straight up and landing back on the gun.

    I also noticed nicks in the slide finish around the ejection port, are ejected casings hitting the slide?

    If the new MA1 is better and more consistent with ejection, does anyone know if the extractors are interchangeable with the M/S series?

    Thanks in advance.

    Jeff
     
  2. Ripped

    Ripped New Member

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    i know they do come out.. however not sure if they are interchangeable with the ma1.. i polished mine.. occasional wild ejects are becoming routine for me.. LOL im used to it.. the wild ejects have not occured as frequently after i polished the extractor for some reason.. normally from what ive encountered the wild ejects tend to occur during Rapid fire sequences..
     

  3. hihoslva

    hihoslva New Member

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    I know it sounds like a broken record, but if you are comfortable removing the extractor, do it, and give everything a good scrubbing.

    I think people forget that they are buying a pistol that could be up to 5 years in storage. Lubrication gunks up over time, and even a good normal cleaning might not be enough.

    I've heard from more than one professional that a complete teardown and cleaning of any gun should be done once a year. And like automobiles, inactivity can be harder on the mechanisms than regular use.

    Don't give up on it just yet. Remove the extractor if you can, or have a qualified gunsmith do a full-detail cleaning.
     
  4. Guest

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    You know, I'm not actually that comfortable taking the thing down past normal field stripping. I have bathed the extractor in Birchwood Casey Gun Scrubber, and used a brass brush to scrub the exposed part of the extractor down.

    How is your ejection pattern after the detail stripping and cleaning? Have you ever watched anyone shoot your gun?

    Thanks

    Jeff
     
  5. Alabama

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    My 026xxx M9 does the same thing, jeff, down to the wear marks on the finish around the ejection port, (inside the frame toward the barrel in the corner) and I'm still in very low numbers in terms of total rounds fired.

    hihoslva makes a pretty undisputable point, tho, about storage and cleaning. Though a late serial I wouldn't be surprised if she's sat around for three-plus years, and I've not yet had been brazen enough to clean past a good field-stripping, provided getting the firing pin assembly out of the slide can still count as a field-strip. I'm wondering if we've got a good reason to now.

    Ripped, what're some tings to look out for in polishing? I'm afraid it might be better to let someone more qualified than myself get after it than to go to town on the M9 with a dremmel and a six-pack. Are the irregular ejection issues something that fade with use and 'breaking in?'
     
  6. hihoslva

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    My ejection on my M9 is fairly regular and right where they should be. I think my S9 is still a little erratic, but while my M has about 2300 rounds through it, the S is still less than 500.

    Having two nearly-identical pistols with a large differential of rounds fired, I can say that there definitely is a good break-in period. My S still feels much "tighter" than my M, down to the extractor itself. The M's is far easier to move with finger pressure than it was when it was new, and the extractor on my S is still rather stiff. In fact, there's a slight "grittiness" to the motion of the S extractor that has not quite worked itself out yet, and might drive me to remove it for a good cleaning.

    I have not taken the extractor out of either gun yet. But I plan to. If it is of similar difficulty to breaking down the rest of the gun, I should have no problems. Basically, I've had everything else apart already.
     
  7. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I own 4 Steyr handguns and have never had any issues with brass hitting anything but the ground. With XDs I know that a new guide rod and spring can greatly effect where the brass gets thrown. Maybe check out Jack Ass Custom's guide rods.
     
  8. Guest

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    The guns at CDNN have sat in the warehouse through at least two Texas summers, inside temps of 110 degrees. The thick preservative oil put on at the factory dries out and can get hard as a rock. Spray cleaners will not get in and dissolve it. A complete take down is in order. If that is above your skill level, soak the slide in a pan of Shooters Choice or Hoppes overnight then use the spray cleaner to flush it out. I once bought a Savage rifle that had sat for three years. It took a solid hour with solvent and bore brushes to get the dried oil out of the barrel.
     
  9. hihoslva

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    Straight from the horse's mouth. :):):)
     
  10. Ripped

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    takedown of the extractor was not that bad.. easy to get apart. just a lil puzzling at first to put back together.. but not "HARD" after the first time. As a gun owner, id say to learn to rip it apart all the way worst case , you can have a friend or pro throw it back together..

    quite simply. if you can put a jigsaw puzzle together. you should not have a problem with stripping the weapon down.. I know the element of fear can be misleading. and make you not want to delve into uncharted territory. but fear not. as fear is simply emotion acting without the benifit of intellect.. So grab your steyr and a precision screwdriver and start disassembling.. :)
     
  11. Guest

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    Ripped - After the definitive words from MajD, I'm going for it!

    Just one more thing before going off the cliff - wasn't there some sticky with pictures of slide disassembly? The one on GT has terrible pictures and a so-so description. As far as I can tell the extractor is only 3 pieces: extractor claw, extractor pin and extractor pin spring so I guess it can't be that bad.

    Thanks

    Jeff
     
  12. ShelbyV8

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    A suggestion, disassemble and assemble inside a cardboard box or a freezer bag. When I was putting my extractor back in my screwdriver slipped and the extractor pin launched into never never land. It only comes in an assembly extractor, pin, and spring about $30.
     
  13. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Thanks again for the feedback and suggestions. I took the plunge this afternoon and disassembled the slide. This was ridiculously easy! That's coming from an admittedly un-mechanical person that usually just pays for this kind of work. It was all exactly as you guys said it would be and a small precision flathead was all that was indeed needed. Good suggestion by ShelbyV8 on the box disassembly because both the extractor pin and the retainer pin for the rear of the slide can be easily lost of you slip and launch them.

    I had read several places that you should be able to move the extractor with finger pressure, and when I tried this before, it did not move AT ALL. Being non-mechanical, I figured I was pushing in the wrong direction or something like that. Once disassembled, I found that the extractor itself had a little grit on the underside, but on the slide where the extractor fits into had a fair amount of sludge-type stuff. I bathed all parts and orifices in Birchwood Casey Gun Scrubber, then dried them out with Q-tips to expose nothing but smooth metal. I then *lightly* lubed the extractor retaining pin and spring with a Q-tip containing Tetra Lube. I did the same thing to the firing pin channel and firing pin assembly.

    After re-installing the extractor, I pushed back on the extractor claw and low-and-behold, it moves! And smoothly at that! I couldn't get it to do this before so I am hoping this was the problem.

    I'm going to the range tonight so I'll post a little later what difference (hopefully) this makes in extraction.

    Thanks again!

    Jeff
     
  14. Guest

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    Finally got to the range tonight. My wife was getting back into shooting too so I let here shoot the Steyr. She shot about 150 rounds through it tonight without any problems or getting a casing in the head. I was helping her with grip, stance, etc. so I didn't get to watch the ejection pattern as much as I wanted to. I think it's ejecting a bit better, but I can't tell for sure yet.
     
  15. hihoslva

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    Well, I finally decided to pull the extractors out of my M9 & S9. I wasn't having any ejection issues, but since there's ~2300 rounds through my M, and the S's extractor always felt very slightly "gritty" when I moved it with my finger, I figured it couldn't hurt.

    Holy hell, was it filthy in there - both of 'em. Gunky and nasty. I'm glad I cleaned 'em out.

    I think it's a good idea for anyone to get in there and clean the extractor. As long as you're comfortable pulling it apart (it's not hard at all).