I'm getting nervous

Discussion in 'M, C, L and S Series' started by madecov, Jul 25, 2005.

  1. madecov

    madecov Active Member

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    Lately there are way too many reports of people having FTE with M series handguns.
    I love my M40, I am itching to get the M40A1.

    But way too many people are having reliability issues with the Steyr's.

    I have about 250-300 rounds through my M40 and it has been fine.

    The gun feels perfect in my hand, I want it to remain reliable so I can carry it as a duty weapon.

    I like the way the gun was designed. I think the concept is sound. I am beginning to wonder if the execution of the concept is sound.

    I hate to say this. SHOULD I JUST BUY A GLOCK?????....... Maybe an XD
     
  2. RangerM9

    RangerM9 New Member

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    I'm not getting nervous yet.....i've had 1 FTE, i've heard a lot of very vocal complaints about FTEs, but really, ever sice i found SteyrTalk then SteyrClub...i've always seen reports of FTE's....i don't think they are increasing in frequency so much, just with more members you hear more about them....

    You are in LE so you have to be critical with your choice of gun. I'm not so i don't worry so much. I shoot for fun, you shoot to save lives. IF you are not confident in the M series though, don't bother to qualify with it. You will likely just give up and go Glock or XD eventually if you have the doubts.

    my two cents....

    I agree though, the feel of the M series is the best of any auto i have held, would hate to give it up due to reliability probs.
     

  3. Deluxe247

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    I agree with RangerM9 on this, you will hear more about things that are going wrong on a public forum than you will about things being great. People come here to look for help with problems, so it is perceived that there are a lot more M's that are malfunctioning than not.

    Like Ranger said, you need to be much more critical about your weapon of choice because of the circumstances. But don't let all the bad news and reprts of malfunctions here cause you to overlook the M as a good solid carry peice. If yours is working properly, then go for it.

    -D
     
  4. madecov

    madecov Active Member

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    I will qualify with the M as I have all my duty gear ready and wating.
    I have pretty much decidd not to purchase the M40A1 as there is no support.

    Down the line if Steyr decides that the US market matters I will reconsider.

    When there are other firearms available with support at the same price point I can't take chances.
     
  5. Guest

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    It is definitely important to keep in mind that as more people purchase these guns, more negative feedback will show up, particularly on the "anything-typed=gospel" Internet.

    I've had an S40 for almost two years now. I have shot over 600 rounds through it by now, without one FTF or FTE. And I shoot cheap ammo.

    My confidence in Steyr is enough that I actually brought home another one today (M9). Once they get their act together in Mississippi, things can only get better.
     
  6. RangerM9

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    cheap ammo

    good point on the cheap ammo comment, probably the most expensive stuff i have put through min is Magtech and thats about $7/box of 50. Hell my M9 even gobbled up some wolf the prior time i went out with it....not a hiccup to be found.

    I'm not concerned much at this point.
     
  7. Matches

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    I wish everyone success with their Steyr's. I am seriously considering taking mine back. It will be interesting to see what Davidson's does for me. As far as the Internet goes I definitly believe people are more likely to post problems they are having on an open forum like this. Its human nature to want to vent about problems and the Internet provides access to forums you can vent on.

    Matches
     
  8. FWF

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    Madecov,
    The one thing that spooks me about .40 and .357 Glocks is that chamber which doesn't fully support the web area of the case. The .40 and .357, (unlike the .45 ACP) generate some pretty serious pressure and I like to reload my ammo so that's a pretty big issue for me.

    I've never gotten to play with an XD, so I'm not sure how they'd compare. They look like a pretty good gun overall; I'd prefer the rear framerails to be steel but maybe that's not critical.

    The new FNP/Browning Pro looks pretty impressive. I also think the Israeli SP-21 (imported by Magnum Research) looks interesting. And, of course, CZ's are good. The fact is, there are a lot of good pistols on the market.
     
  9. madecov

    madecov Active Member

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    I'm also thinking of getting another P99 from CDNN. They still have a few left of the AS trigger.

    I also have issues with the unsupported chambers on many 40 handguns.
    But, a supported chamber is no good if the gun won't cycle reliably.

    I purchased one of the P99's at the same time from CDNN. Walther at least has a presence in the USA and repairs are available. I wanted my M40 to be my primary duty weapon, but I think the Walther will be primary.
     
  10. FlaChef

    FlaChef Guest

    madecov,

    your a ffl dealer and a leo. You have plenty of acess to range time and cheap(ish) defense quality ammo.

    If i was leo (and believe me i've thought about it a couple of times) I would not carry anything I haven't put THOUSANDS of rounds down the pipe. Heck I wouldn't even compete w/ one.

    If the wife and I can go to the range and put 200 rounds downrange in a practice session a couple times a month then you should easily be able to put thousands of rounds (target stuff and SD stuff)) through it and decide how comfy YOU are w/ YOUR m40.

    i know you have quite a few guns to shoot whereas we only have the steyrs and her purse snubbie, but if you WANT this to be you duty weapon you need to spend more time w/ it.
     
  11. madecov

    madecov Active Member

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    As time permits, I'll be putting more rounds through the weapon.
    I have a few hundred rounds of ball left. and several hundred of various defensive loads.

    I'll report again as I get the time.
     
  12. FightDesigner

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    For what it's worth, I've put about 500 rounds through mine, which I bought used from someone who probably did the same. I had one FTE the first time I hit the range with it, but that was before I cleaned it. Went home, went through the tutorial (the listed on GlockTalk, now here too I think), haven't had a problem since. Used it in an IDPA match a week and a half ago with no problems at all.

    I understand your concerns about support availability, though. Can you qualify in more than one sidearm, so if one goes out of commission for any reason you can go to the other for your daily carry?
     
  13. madecov

    madecov Active Member

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    My department allows 2 sidearms.
    My thoughts were to use 2 handguns that could be carried on or off duty.

    Currently I carry a 1911 5" on duty and a 3 1/2" officers off.

    The M40 is going to be one of 2 polymer based 40's used on/off duty.
     
  14. hiramabiff

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    I dont know... you have more experience.

    :oops:

    I've read this article about Glock by Keith Manne NRA Certified Pistol Instructor. I really have no clear idea if this will work for you and I believe you have read it. But just a reminder or review. :oops: or for future readers of this forum.

    http://members.cox.net/guntraining/no_glocks.htm

    My initial plan was to get a Glock for myself, told myself that I have to have the finest, the best and most reliable pistol around that my money can afford, also Glock is very popular down here. The LEOs and their enemies alike, and by pistol enthusiasts they like Glock.

    But after searching so much, interview with some Glock owners, non-Glock owners, reading this forum and LEARNING that the SWAT team of Makati, the richest city in the Philippines who can afford Kimbers, HKs and name those high-end pistols for their LEOs, considered and bought a GOOD number of the Steyr M series, I changed my mind!

    This SWAT team encounters a lot of bad elements [insurgents, criminals] everday. They are SWAT people and expected to have a tremedous experience with such weapons. Got so excited when I heard that they are the ones who requested for the Steyr M series, and it was not even pushed to them.

    Though I can have the Glock much cheaper, I went ahead and got my M9!

    Just my two cents worth...

    Just a newbie! :wink:

    :D
     
  15. srfl

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    Madecov...why the switch from the 1911's to polymer guns?

    Just curious.
     
  16. Guest

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    in this day and age and in houston why even carry a 1911?8 shots tops is a little on tthe low side. i got my m40 used in Feb and i have put 1400 rounds of factory ammo mainly WWB and blazer brass and i have put 500 rounds of my own reloads only had 2 problems with them the first 50 rounds i loaded didnt crimp enough to chamber properly (not the guns fault they wouldnt chamber in my brothers ruger either) and had 1 round jam tight in the barrel. the case was messed up again not the guns fault
     
  17. madecov

    madecov Active Member

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    I now have the M40 and the M40A1
    I'm probably going with the A1 and a P99.

    Higher capacity, lower weight, a bit less maintnance.
     
  18. Guest

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    I bought my M40 second hand. It looked like hell. Previous owner "polished" the slide assembly with extractor and sights still in place. Bore was dirty and I don't think the thing was ever disasembled for cleaning. Picked it up for $195, and gave it a good cleaning. I'm unsure of the round count it had, but I've put aprox. 950 through it in the two months I've owned it with only 1 FTE, making it the cheapest and most reliable handgun I own.
     
  19. hiramabiff

    hiramabiff New Member

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    man... your surest the most lucky person here... having that great piece for less than $200.00! Wow!