"GRIP DESCRIPTION " posted by *IDPA STEYR*

Discussion in 'M, C, L and S Series' started by Ripped, Aug 9, 2005.

  1. Ripped

    Ripped New Member

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    All Credit to this post goes to "IDPA STEYR" for this post leeched over from SteyrTalk.

    Here is the grip I use while shooting. I transitioned to this grip 4 years ago after using a weaver grip for 25 years. It was a tough transition and took a lot of practice before it felt natural.

    The grip is actually obtained at about stomach level, in front of the body.

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    The gun is placed in the soft portion of the web of the shooting hand. The web is placed high and as tight against the frame as possible.. This gets the bore of the gun low in the hand to allow the recoil pulse to be directed straight into the forearm. The reason recoil feels so low on the Steyr is the recoil pulse drives the gun lower into the hand instead of flipping the muzzle upward.

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    Photo 2
    The firearm is aligned as straight with the shooting hand forearm as possible. This keeps the recoil pulse directed straight up the arm and prevents deflection of the gun.

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    Photo 3
    The thumb of the support hand is pressed against the frame opposite the tip of the trigger finger. (This is extended along the frame at this point as the sights are not aligned on the target.)

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    Photo 4
    The fingers of the support hand are rotated downward and wrapped tightly around the fingers of the shooting hand.

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    Photo 5
    The proper grip, showing the support hand fingers wrapped around the shooting hand. (Don’t put the index finger of your support hand on the front of the trigger guard. It may look cool but accomplishes nothing.)

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    Photo 6
    The proper grip showing the support hand thumb extending along the frame for control, and the thumb of the shooting hand resting on it to keep it high and tight to the back of the frame. Keep the tip of the thumb away from the slide release.

    From this position, extend the gun toward the target, retaining a tight grip. This creates tension in your wrist, elbows, arm and shoulders that allow a complete “lock-out” of the shooting platform.

    At this point, if you aren’t tired, try again because you don’t have it right. This grip takes a lot of effort and a lot of practice, but it works.

    An unpaid model was used for this demonstration as I am left-handed and didn’t want anyone getting confused.

    BTW – Don’t make fun of the way my gun looks…it still works very well!
     
  2. IDPASteyr

    IDPASteyr New Member

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    The gun looks better now than it did when I did this article.

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  3. madecov

    madecov Active Member

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    Yeah, well it looks like a red X to me ,, LOL
     
  4. Ripped

    Ripped New Member

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    hehehe.....
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    even better
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    hehe jus joking man.. thought those were kinda comical photos.. LOL
     
  5. projekt

    projekt New Member

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    what barrel?
     
  6. RiceCakes

    RiceCakes New Member

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    I find gripping mine with my support hand index finger allows me to balance and grip much more effectively. when i try to wrap all four fingers under the trigger guard, my pinkie and ring finger start to kind of slide off my other hand. Whereas if I place my support index finger on the guard my fingers match up, and it seems to grip tighter and more controllable. Has anyone else noticed/tried this?
     
  7. IDPASteyr

    IDPASteyr New Member

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    RiceCakes, If it works for you, go with it. It is less effective overall than the grip described in this thread. If you look at the top shooters like Cooper, Smith, Langdon, Latham, Burkett and others, none of them have their index finger on the front of the trigger guard. Bottom line is you have to do what feels comfortable and learn to do it well.
     
  8. RiceCakes

    RiceCakes New Member

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    I agree that grip should be what works best for the shooter. I was jsut curious how others held, if they had any other variants :)
     
  9. sewerman

    sewerman Premium Member

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    grip gripe

    gonna try this now that i got "THE GUN"
     
  10. Ammo08

    Ammo08 New Member

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    I for one really like that grip. I was used to shooting revolvers and this has taken some time.

    Believe me, I can only get better.
     
  11. SELFDEFENSE

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    My only comment is that I hold with the support hand thumb straight along the frame with the side of the thumb just indexed at the saftey lever button well, rather than the almost 45 degree angle of the thumb in Photo 5. I think that forces the offhand wrist and forearm to be in a more straight line alignment and reduces the chance of brushing the slide with the thumb and jamming the gun.
     
  12. sasops

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    Ripped -

    Nice photo series. This is the grip I advocate with a slight modification: I would roll the support hand more forward so the support thumb is more in line with the barrel.

    I appreciate your observation about the pain factor and that proves you know what you are talking about. The "360 Compression Grip” requires pain to do it right and that pain only disappears after thousands of repetitions. It's amusing to watch seriously fit SpecOps guys complaining about the pain in their neck and shoulders after doing this grip and presentation sequence hundreds of times.

    Note - The hand positions pre-draw are natural fighting positions and part of a complete transitional technique that goes from empty hand to long gun and then to pistol. Cool stuff Ripped.
     
  13. smores

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  14. midtnshooter

    midtnshooter Premium Member

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    Get A Grip !!

    This is a similar grip I use for USPSA. I was disaapointed when I read Steyr grips. I was hoping for some after market grips that could be attached my plastic grips. So far, the only thing I could do was to add some "none-skid" tape to magazine butts and the slip points on the grip.

    Thanks, Aaron (aka, midtnshooter)
     
  15. Netfotoj

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  16. SELFDEFENSE

    SELFDEFENSE Premium Member

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    Notice Jarret's placement of the support thumb - aligned straight with the barrel.
     
  17. nuj

    nuj New Member

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    point of aim

    the grip article is really cool bro and i love what you have done to the gun but can you please help me in finding the point of aim of the gun. i have read some articles in a gun magazine that you should align the top of the rear and front sight and then place the point of the triangle where you want to place the bullet. i tried this but it doesnt work, do you have any suggestion, please e-mail me at mraldnyt@yahoo.com, thanks and shoot straight and be safe always
     
  18. bigtaco

    bigtaco Active Member

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    that's what works for me. tip of the triangle on the target. no 6 o'clock hold or anything.
     
  19. mr. ford

    mr. ford New Member

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    i was trained on this grip style as referenced by the OP.
    this is also utilized by the p. academy here.