finally got to the range today.

Discussion in 'Tactics and Training' started by projekt, Dec 1, 2005.

  1. projekt

    projekt New Member

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    100 rounds of WW2 era boly action fun makes for a sore sohulder.


    the M9 groups decently, about 5 inches at 15 yards if i try (that's good for me) but it shoots very too the left. what can i do with the simple tools i have available to fix it?
     
  2. madecov

    madecov Active Member

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    Before you adjust the sights let somone else shoot it.
    The sights are probably right on...............the shooter is probably off a bit (no offense meant). Also try it from a rest, shooting left is usually a sign of anticipating the shot.

    I have yet to encounter a Steyr pistol with the sights off from the factory.
     

  3. FlaChef

    FlaChef Guest

    +1 from a rest and let others shoot it.
    but I thought left was trigger slapping, and down was anticipating (hence low left is the most common way to be off).

    are you using the pad of you trigger finger or are you engaging the trigger w/ your first joint?

    all this assumes your not southpaw.
     
  4. bigtaco

    bigtaco Active Member

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    plus one to previous posts.

    try pulling the trigger with the tip of your finger. this should make the trigger pull directly to the rear.

    also try dry firing 50 to 100 times for a few consecutive days using very slow trigger pulls and watching the sights while the gun clicks. then go to the range and have someone else put 1 live round in a mag full of dummy rounds. if you're seeing the sights stay on target for all the dummies, they'll be there for the lives. do this five times and you should see a significantly smaller five shot group.

    on good days m9s will tear one ragged hole at 15 yards.

    i also practice shooting into a circle the size of a quater at 10 yards. i put 10 circles on one piece of paper. i can see which shots were errant in which direction. an 8" idpa "A" zone looks like a chevy suburban after this drill.
     
  5. Shooter

    Shooter Premium Member

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    down is anticipating recoil, left is anticipating-flinch also.........but it could also be trigger slap.....
     
  6. RiceCakes

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    +1 to everything bigtaco said. I had huge flinching problems from trap shooting when I got into pistols (about 10 years worth of problems :wink: ). So every night, I would sit on the couch, drop the mag, check the chamber, and slowely dry-fire at whatever was safe. I just practiced slow control. Next time I was able to go shoot, I was MUCH smaller groups.

    Might also want to double check the grip post. Ive seen people one handing it and cowboy gripping it (underneath by the mag) who couldnt hit crap with it.
     
  7. madecov

    madecov Active Member

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    A good trick to use on the dry fire practice, place a coin on top of the slide. if it falls off when you dry fire then your not steady enough.
     
  8. projekt

    projekt New Member

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    i honestly don't think it's me. i dry fire the thing all the time and can keep coins sitting on the slide if i want to. i know my hands aren't the steadiest, and i STILL haven't figured out the damn triangle sights but when 9-10 of my shots (i shoot 10 at a time) are in little groups 5 inches to the left of where i'm aiming, no matter where i'm aiming....
     
  9. RiceCakes

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    What kind of ammo are you using?
     
  10. projekt

    projekt New Member

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    WWB. it's what it has eaten its whole life. (i put 20 hollowpoints through this time too)
     
  11. RiceCakes

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    yeah thats all ived used too. It work good in mine, i would have some other people try it also. Good luck
     
  12. Guest

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    I had the exact same issue (and still do to a lesser extent), but I found that I could significantly reduce the amount that I was off to the left by becoming less aware of when the trigger would release.

    The trigger is very crisp, which is nice, but I was keenly aware of when it would release.

    What I did was after aligning my front sight, I would slowly "roll" the trigger back and try to see how much pressure I could put on the trigger before it released, so that I was "surprised" each time.

    This moved my groups from about 3.5" left at 10 yards, to about 1.5"
     
  13. uncle_walty

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    I had to adjust my sights on my M9 and M357. They were shooting slightly to the right and low with my favorite load. Good windage now but had to adjust the elevation by increasing the load a little bit since Steyr doesn't have taller rear sights and POI is still a little lower than I'd like. Drifting your rear sight to the right about 0.055" should move your POI 5 inches to the right at 15 yards. I used a brass punch and a small hammer and measured with a caliper. You can drift the front sight a little bit in the opposite direction if the whole 0.055" on the rear sight doesn't look right ( or looks too right) to you. You might want to try different ammo also to see if you can find a load that shoots a little bit more to the right for you. Everyone has their own dynamics when you look at the gun, ammo, hand, arm and body as a system.
     
  14. hiramabiff

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    there are some folks who are not just well adjusted to some pistols... I see them a lot...

    Saw some folks whose shots are grouping about an inch down off center [7o"clock or 3o'Clock] but when I tried theirs and it was just fine.... itd "0".