EXCELLENT IDPA/Practice Ammo

Discussion in 'Ammunition and Reloading' started by Guest, May 5, 2005.

  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I have recently discovered an ammo manufacturer that has excellent ammunition for nearly the best prices I have found. The company is Lancer Custom Ammo (http://www.lancerammo.com/). Having been introduced to them by a fellow IDPA competitor, I was able to try some different 9mm loads for my Sig 228 and Steyr S9. Some guys on the Sig forum setup a group buy and it happened to be a company in my backyard, so I was able to pick up some samples to try directly from the owner of the company.

    The first load I sampled was the 124 grain FMJ. This is designed as a standard pressure 124 grain load, and is claimed to produce 1120 fps from a 4-inch barrel. I found this to be a nice load, with almost no flash and a “smoother” recoil impulse than WWB 115 grain, which I actually find to have a fair amount of muzzle blast and is a decently hot load. I also think this load was more accurate than WWB 115 grain, although this was subjective as I don’t have a Ransom Rest for a true comparison in my guns.

    The second load was the 147 grain FMJ. This load is a “download” that was originally developed for a NC Police Department pistol team. It is claimed to provide 895 fps from a 4-inch barrel, comfortably making IDPA power floor for SSP and ESP. This is the softest shooting load that I have ever fired in a 9mm and shot-to-shot recovery is ultra-fast. I’ve never really shot subsonic 9mm loads before, and what’s neat about them is that they are relatively quiet compared to standard 115 and 124 grain high-velocity loads. The bullets don’t break the sound barrier and the high-pitched “crack” is missing. IMHO this makes up at least 1/3 of the blast and perceived recoil. It also makes a BIG difference when shooting in a cramped indoor range with low ceilings and close walls. With muzzle blast and noise down, I again found this to be subjectively a very accurate round. Both this and the 124 are very clean burning also, with a bit less fouling than WWB. This is now my favorite load.

    I bought 1,000 of the 147 grains and used them at last weekends IDPA match, and came in 3rd in SSP/Expert, only 4 seconds off the top spot. This was a huge improvement over the previous weekend’s performance, the first time I shot in SSP/EX when I came in 9th using WWB 115gr FMJ.

    Did the ammo alone account for my improved performance? Not all by itself, but I certainly felt that the very quick shot-to-shot recovery and lower noise/blast allowed me to concentrate that much more on the front sight.

    The best part is this is some the most affordable ammo I have found. The bulk loads come in 500 round lots in waterproof military .30 caliber ammo cans. The 9mm 147 is only $135 for 1,000 rounds, which is much cheaper than I have seen anywhere else for this heavy a bullet. Their other calibers are similar value-priced.

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    Lancer Custom Ammo’s main business is NC Police Department contracts, so you know the quality is excellent. The owner is a very nice guy that will also develop loads for your specifications on a bulk basis. He is now expanding his business to attract IDPA shooters and range addicts. I was considering investing in reloading equipment (again), but at these prices and quality, I think I may just spend that brass scavenging/cleaning/reloading time at the range.

    Jeff
     
  2. madecov

    madecov Active Member

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    Any web site ?
    Is it new brass?
     

  3. Guest

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    My post was so long (as usual) that you could barely make out the website: http://www.lancerammo.com/

    Lancer makes both new ammo and reloads. The bulk ammo I was describing is reloads, but super high-quality ones, even had all nickel-plated brass for extra slickness.

    I forgot to mention the most important thing: in the 500 or so rounds I've gone through already, there hasn't been 1 FTE or FTF. You wouldn't believe how soft shooting the 147s are, but they knock down steel plates and pepper poppers in IDPA matches just fine with one center shot - and that's out of my 3.6 inch barrel S9!

    Jeff
     
  4. FlaChef

    FlaChef Guest

    on 115gr 9mm wally world wwb is till cheaper (after shittping cost).
    but that 147 sounds promising.

    However the bulk .40 is the best prices I've seen. even w/ shipping 500 rnds is cheaper than either wwb or cci from wally world!!!! 1000 gets even cheaper.

    ok this goes onto the top of my list in a few weeks (now not good for ANY puchases).
     
  5. madecov

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    Thanks, looks good.
     
  6. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I also forgot to mention that Midway USA sell Lancer Custom Ammo. So between them and the dozens of NC Police Departments (especially Durham PD - these are the guys that have shootouts with gang-bangers quite often) that use their stuff, I would say it's good stuff :)
     
  7. Alabama

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    As always, thanks jeff 8)
     
  8. Guest

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    No problem Alabama. I am an obsessive-compulsive cheap bastard, so when I find something that really delivers (like the Comp-Tac C-T.A.C.) - I will be sure to trumpet it loudly in the hope that others can benefit.

    I would check with Lancer first, but I think the 50-round box of Lancer 147 FMJ reloads are the same spec as the bulk stuff I'm raving about. You should try a couple boxes to make sure your Steyr loves it as much as mine. If you're lke me and never tried subsonic 147s, you will be truly amazed how good it is.

    As FlaChef noticed, the .40 and .45 loads really are very inexpensive, as is the HP bullet ammo he makes, which are the same loads he makes for Police Departments.

    Jeff
     
  9. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Actually, with the recent increase of WWB to $11.34 per 100, and even with our 5% sales tax, the Lancer bulk 115 gr 9mm comes out a couple of bucks cheaper. (Maybe my shipping is less to VA than FL).

    Jeff - any chance you've tried their 115 gr bulk? Any comparison to WWB? I agree that WWB seems to be a pretty solid load for its size...but it would cost me about $13 more to buy the 124 gr over the 115 WWB. (I'm cheaper than you...four kids. And two of them like to shoot with me...which cuts into my fun!) Anyway, if you or anyone else can offer a comparison, that would be great.

    Thanks!
    Jim
     
  10. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Jim,

    I've never tried the Lancer 115's so I can't offer any comparison. I'll see if I can get some from the owner to try and report. I did shoot a few Lancer 124s and found that they are also much milder than WWB 115s. The jump from 124s to 147s is not as big, but you still get that supersonic "crack" from the 124s.

    Luckily for me I can pick up the ammo locally so I save shipping so it works out the cheapest for me.

    4 kids! How do you have time to even go shoot? :lol:

    Jeff