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Discussion in 'Caracal C and F Series' started by Syntax360, Nov 4, 2010.
I'll send you a text tomorrow and see where you're at.
OK, the good news is I had a chance to get the Caracal out on the firing line again this weekend; the bad news is that I was only able to run 115 more rounds through it. We spent most of the daylight hours at the mega-gunshow in Dallas, so it was a mad-dash to the range to try out everyones' new stuff.
I have gotten a lot of requests to put more JHP through this gun, so I brought along another box of Winchester Ranger 147gr. JHP. At the gunshow, I picked up a box of 115gr. Federal Hi-Shok JHP (9BP) and 124gr. +P Remington Golden Saber JHP. Believe me, I would like to have picked up more to test, but I just blew a metric-ton of cash on ammo for this New Years trip I'm making with the locals, so that budget is pretty much drained for 2010...
So how did the gun perform?
I started out with the 50 rounds of Silver Bear that I brought along to function test. Troy warned me that his gun didn't so much like the cheap Russian stuff, but I'm happy to report that my gun didn't miss a beat. I was really pleased, because I have 950 more rounds sitting at home waiting to be digested... it would have been a bad day if the Caracal didn't like Silver Bear.
Next up, I fired 30 rounds of the Federal Hi-Shok JHP - again, no problems. I really liked the feel of this stuff, so I decided to keep the last 20 rounds to hold me over with some decent ammo until I have the budget to procure more. I have no intention of carrying the Caracal until it has been thoroughly vetted, but hell - you never know when you might want some JHP on hand, and the gun seemed to like it.
I moved on to the box of Remington Golden Saber JHP - unfortunately, you only get 20 rounds per box. It's been awhile since I've shot this stuff - I forgot how cool and distinct the muzzle flash is (almost a bright silver/white). Again, the Caracal chugged through the box with no issues. One thing I realized after I was done shooting the Remington is that they were +P - I had completely forgotten about the higher pressure rating until well after I was done shooting. Seriously, perceived recoil on this gun is comically soft.
I loaded up a magazine of Winchester Ranger 147gr. JHP and all was well until about round #10 - the slide locked back even though there were still rounds waiting to feed. I finished up the magazine and decided not to waste any more Winchester Ranger RA9T - the gun just doesn't seem to be able to make it through a magazine of this stuff.
So, Winchester Ranger aside, this gun has been running like a top. We're at a measly 415 rounds total, but we're slowly-but-surely getting more lead down-range through the Emirati shooter. As I said before, I have no intention of cleaning or lubricating this gun until it starts to choke, or I have 1000 rounds through the pipe (I'm not counting the Winchester Rangers - we know that's a problem load for this gun, so I'll have to adjust-out those 37 rounds for the final tally).
Another issue came up on another forum, and I thought it was important enough to repost here. The Caracal magazine design is... unique. The magazine catch uses a single tab on the top-front face of the magazine, and a few guys commented that it looks like a finger-slicer:
I could see it if you're running high-speed and touching the tip of your bullet before speed-feeding a new magazine. Personally, I do not anticipate that being a problem for me because I'm not in the habit of indexing like that, but if you are, it's something to keep in mind.
I did test the Caracal magazines in a couple super-cheap nylon mag-pouches I have, as well as a Blade-Tech kydex version, and the design was not a problem on either setup. The kydex rig doesn't contact that part of the magazine at all, and the nylon didn't snag. I'm not sure the nylon would hold up with thousands of repetitions, but I would personally use kydex for any heavy-use gear.
One big problem with this weapon system is the absence of holster availability. Caracal USA tells me that Blackhawk makes a Serpa for it, but I haven't been able to turn up a part number (or for that matter, any other evidence that such a rig exists); they also sent Blade-Tech a couple demos to work up holsters. Well, I decided to beat them to it...
I sold a pistol a few months back (actually, my very first pistol) - a SigARMS Mauser M2 .40S&W. I had a Blade-Tech UCH for it, but since I shoot south paw, I didn't think it worth giving up a decent slab of kydex to a buyer that probably would have no use for it. I sold the gun without the holster, and it's been collecting dust ever since.
I remembered that holster last night and decided to use luvmy40's truly excellent tutorial to modify my existing UCH to work with the Caracal F. I fired up the toaster oven and stripped the hardware from the holster and popped it in. After about 2 minutes @ 350 degrees, the holster was a pretty malleable sheet of burning hot kydex (should have had the foresight to use some gloves :lol; I wrapped the Caracal between the hot kydex and placed the whole thing between a few pillows with some weight on top. After a few minutes, I had a pretty decent form, but it needed some tweaking.
I used a heat gun today to reshape a few parts of the rig, and after about 5 minutes I had a nearly perfect holster:
Caracal F on top with modified UCH, Steyr M9A1 on bottom with factory UCH:
The jury is still out on this gun, but if it makes it through the 1,000+ round challenge I'm putting together in 2 weeks, I just might retire the Steyr. Anyway, here's some more shots:
NIce rig! Whataya want for the M9-A1?
Hava great Xmas!
Wulf <-- thinkin' bout addin' a M9-A1 ta his collection
There goes Wulf, lifting the leg again... I'm telling you, he doesn't let any grass grow at all! :rofl:
Ah, it's the natural ebb and flow of nature. Besides, that's how a wolf finds his pistol in the dark - by smell!
Then again, I don't believe Syn's gonna retire the Steyr. One day, when he's cold and lonely, and the Caracal hasn't been cleaned and lubed, he'll reach out to her again....(cue sound of wind blowing and a violin playing softly in the distance).
Just picked up my new Car*F. First impressions:
comes w/ 3 mags! (woohoo!)
grip is thin lika single stacker (a bit slippery ta the touch an could do w/ a nice *Hogue grip)
sights are pretty cool, (it'll prolly taka bitta gettin' usta...course the tri traps did, too )
trigger is pretty nice for plastic outta the box! (lotta travel, but once ya gather it all up, very smooth, crisp release
nice pointer...comes ta target very nicely
slide release is nicely situated
mag release is nicely situated
field disassembly is a breeze and it goes back together nicely
I'll give 'er a good douche, then its off ta the range.
I'm still waitin' for the Viridian C5L. Its 'posta b here Friday. I'll try an' get some pics posted for the Boys.
... an' Hava Merry Xmas, Guys! :thumbsup:
*Hogue Grips (hey, *tax* did ya get my PM bout the Hogue Grips, Bro? ... let me know ASAP)
Wulf <-- breakin' out the Breakfree, cleanin' rod an' bore swabs
Merry Christmas Wulf, Syntax, et al.
Happy New Year too.
To you as well, ETH. :cheers:
Wulf - ya, sorry - I forgot all about it. I'll PM you about it. Keep us posted with your Caracal impressions. :thumbsup:
Good pistol But don't lke its Rear sight cause it unchangable.
The rear striker plate can be removed pretty easily - I suspect one of the first aftermarket things we will see for this pistol will be a standard dovetail channel block. I'm sure bigtaco could whip one up...
I love the Straight 8 style sights.
OK, gentlemen - I'm overdue for an update. I had intended to blow through a case of ammo the first week of January, but things didn't pan out quite the way I wanted. The good news is I have a stockpile of ammo waiting to be run through the Caracal; the bad news is I haven't hit the 1,000 round marker yet. At last count we were at 415 rounds...
A good number of us met up for a New Years meet, and the Caracal did see some range time. Forum member blueorison made the trip from Austin (technically, Oklahoma that week) to attend, and he should be able to offer his own insights and opinions on this pistol.
Rather than breakdown exactly what we shot, I'm going to update the original round count totals:
(350) 115gr. Silver Bear FMJ (steel case)
(48) Monarch 115gr. FMJ (steel case)
(10) Wolf 115gr. FMJ (steel case)
(20) Remington ShurShot 115gr. FMJ
(50) Remington UMC 115gr. FMJ
(50) PMC 115gr. FMJ
(50) 124gr. Winchester NATO FMJ
(50) 115gr. Federal Hi-Shok JHP (9BP)
(20) 124gr. +P Remington Golden Saber JHP
(100) 115gr. Winchester "White Box" FMJ
Total: 748 rounds
So far, no cleaning, oiling, or malfunctions with any ammunition - except Winchester Ranger (tested Ranger has been removed from round counts). I am quite pleased with this pistol thus far.
And since no update is complete without some gun porn...
:drool::drool::drool: Looks like a soft trigger pull to me!
Help Wulf, I'm having D.O.M. thoughts again, you know...Damned gun p0rn.
Sorry, I can't help ya, Bro.
Wulf <-- busy holdin' uppa hardcopy o' that Car*F photo ... with one paw
Ever since I heard about the Caracal I've wanted one (kinda like what happened when I began my search for an M40a1).
Where can you get one of these in the states anyways?
Edit: Specifics of where, as the local gun shop is kinda a "made in usa or go home" place when it comes to orders, and even then wont order anything unless you practically hold their hands while they do it.
Send a private message to CaracalUSA here on the forum... You will need to purchase the gun from Caracal, and they will mail it to a Federal Firearms License holder in your area (usually a gun shop, but not always), who will facilitate the transfer for a small fee ($15-25 is the going rate in my area).