Bp oil spill

Discussion in 'The Soap Box' started by GROUPER TROOPER 32, May 17, 2010.

  1. GROUPER TROOPER 32

    GROUPER TROOPER 32 New Member

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    The below opinions are my own as a private citizen and no way represent my employer, Whomever they may be.....

    The hype about the oil spill here is reaching epic proportions. Yes, a huge spill is happening 90 miles south of us right now. Yes, Louisiana is having closures for there seafood harvest. Yes, SOME of their shoreline has been affected.

    NOW THE FACTS!
    Mississippi has no closure due to the oil spill.
    Charter boat operators and seafood processors are the only ones who have lost business on the water.
    Commercial fishermen are being given $5000.00 for each licensed vessel for their inconvenience.
    Boat owners get anywhere from $700.00-$2000.00 a day for doing nothing more than checking the oil booms set out around the shore. This is about a 3 hour tour.
    As I type this I have seen three commercials from law firms who are filing class action suits.

    The only good thing is that the gov isn't the one paying the tab, unlike Katrina.
    The national news reports that we are being threatened by the spill. I had to go 70 miles from shore to find the slick.

    We have had several dead sea turtles wash ashore but amazingly, they have just about stopped ever since Louisiana closed their eastern waters for shrimping. There have been less than five birds brought in for spill injuries.
    Sorry, just had to vent. The whining and entitlement attitude here are just unreal.
     

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  2. OffArtist

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    I agree with most of that post, but I have one fishbone to pick. Commercial fishermen routinely make 100,000.00 per boat per trip depending on their catch and amount of time spent out working - so how's 5 grand per boat in any way fair to them. Not taking sides here, just curious of your take on this. (Also, they never mentioned whether this was 5K a day or just a flat STFU payment.

    Just my .22 cents.
     

  3. GROUPER TROOPER 32

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    Here they may make as little as 200.00 per day or as much as 10,000 per day depending on fuel prices and the market value of shrimp. Shrimp is at an all time low in value over the last few years. Our shrimp season closes every year 30 April. It normally opens early June. The oyster industry closes this time every year also. It'll open in September or October. Remember about eating oysters with a month with an r? Oyster harvesters may get up to 750.00 a day before expenses. Remember, no season has been closed due to oil in our waters. I went South again today. No oil within the 50 miles I went before fuel constraints sent me home. A stfu clause was originally in the vessels of opportunity contract but was taken out after public outcry. I only hope BP makes the participants show a tax return for their previous years income to match against their processors statements. Some here have hurt due to the over reaching press. Many are just complaining about a handout.

    I hate big business more than the next guy but to see the ,"look at me, I can't help myself" attitude here, again, is getting old.

    Once again these are my own personal opinions which do not reflect upon my employer.
     
  4. OffArtist

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    Wow, that is pretty fascinating. And also those are great pics, by the way, It's one of my dreams to live that close to the shore (and have a kickass boat!). So, it appears I've been a bit sucked in to the media spin from your comments. I will now have to investigate this possible "Oilgate" further because when this first happened I told my wife "this is just nature, the sea will take care of itself". Figures. Now I just have to figure out which of the Gubmint debacles this particular "accident" is supposed to take my mind off of.
    Back to the paranoia comfort zone I go;:tinfoil:
     
  5. GROUPER TROOPER 32

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    This is a real threat to Southern Louisiana. It is just not as close as they say it is to the North. They specialists report submerged oil in the Chandeleur sound. It could possibly be something else. Around there are several algae blooms, which have an odd smell and look dark in the water but they aren't oil.

    It's just the whining about a disaster which has not happened and everyone wants a slice of the pie. Heck, even Erin Brockovich is having a meeting in a local casino to introduce her partner law firm in a law suit against the oil company.

    These are my personal opinions and reflect no opinion off my employer.
     
  6. ETH77

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    My pet peeve is the conversion from barrels per day to gallons to make the spill larger. Consider that the well would have been capable of producing some 40-50,000 barrels per day, and a 5,000 per day spill sounds like it's 90% shut down.
     
  7. GROUPER TROOPER 32

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    Today BP has revised it's estimate of oil leakage from up to 5000 barrels a day to 10000 barrels a day. That is potentially 550,000 gallons a day minus the straw sucking tube oil.

    The real question here is what is the dispersant going to do the oil and what potential problems to sea creatures. It is a very expensive federal fine, up to 10,000, if you use dish washing liquid on a petroleum spill off your boat. So this must have some kind of environmental impact.

    Once again, these are my personal opinions not to reflect upon my employer.
     
  8. mketron

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    BP Sucks. Period.
     
  9. Jbabbler

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    Well, in all fairness to the media (wow, did i actually just type that???) most people don't know what a "barrel" of oil is. They assume it's a typical 50gal oil drum when in fact the term "barrel" is an actual unit of measure equal to 42 US gal Gallons.

    One Barrel of oil yields:
    • 19.5 gal of gasoline
    • 9.2 gal distillate fuel oil
    • 4.1 gal kerosene-type jet fuel
    • 2.3 gal residual fuel oil (Heavy oils used as fuels in industry, marine transportation and for electric power generation)
    • 1.9 gal liquefied refinery gasses
    • 1.9 gal still gas
    • 1.8 gal coke
    • 1.8 gal asphalt and road oil
    • 1.2 gal petrochemical feedstocks
    • 0.5 gal lubricants
    • 0.2 gal kerosene
    • 0.3 gal other
     
  10. GROUPER TROOPER 32

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    Well, apparently, oil has arrived in state waters. We now have a creature closure in our territorial waters.

    Not the big slick but a strand reported to be two miles by 12 feet washing up on a barrier island.

    Thanks for the conversion JBabbler!

    Unfortunately the new plan may really make it worse if it is a failure.

    You know, You know, these are my personal opinions and do not represent anything else.
     
  11. GROUPER TROOPER 32

    GROUPER TROOPER 32 New Member

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    I watched that interview. Matt Lauer set him up for that line by asking him if he ever felt like kicking tail for this.

    On the latest, a small patch is off our state line but will probably move here this wekend. SUCKS!

    On a funny.....Those who get rich from the cleanup/ vessels of opportunity..SPILLIONAIRES.

    Seriously, a local fisherman with five boats is making more than 80,000 a week. No kidding.

    My opinions only that do not reflect on my employer.....
     
  12. SELFDEFENSE

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    My take:
    BP is probably the sloppiest oil company extant (including their conduct of North Slope operations)
    Sierra Club and friends put the sloppiest company out so far and deep that they turned a more than century-old extraction process into a moon shot.
    Verdict: 60% fault to Sierra Club, 40% fault to BP.

    Clearly no one has the magic-bullet answer to plugging the leak, but the government could have accepted the help of 11 or so countries that started rolling in 3 days after the explosion.
    It appears the Administration wanted to keep favor with unions by not suspending the Jones Act and maybe even thought that a little oil slick might be helpful for their Cap And Trade and general enviornmental agenda. They got more than they anticipated.
    Tonight the Dear Leader is going to scapegaot and confiscate. We have seen this movie before.
     
  13. GROUPER TROOPER 32

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    Well, the oil that reached our shore was very small and in an unpopulated area,except for marsh creatures. What landed was cleaned and the slick went East. Our beaches are still pristine.

    There is a viewpoint that if the well was capped, it would be considered "dead" which would make it impossible to get a permit for a re-drill later. That may be why BP hasn't used a small explosion to kill it. However, if done wrong, it could make things a little worse. The alternate drilling of relief wells seems like a shot in the dark. An 18'' hole you are trying to hit at around 1400' underground which is 5000' underwater, WOW.

    My opinions only, not my employers.
     
  14. dash

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    Seems the powers that be here aren't going to even try and prevent the oil from coming ashore.....if it even heads this way. The plan is to send skimmers while it's offshore and spend the next few months or years cleaning up the whatever gets through depending on how bad it is.
    With the local economy so heavily dependent on tourism dollars, you gotta wonder why, with all the time between the start of this mess and the possible fouling of the beaches, we aren't being proactive. This isn't a hurricane where you bolt everything down and hide your head in the sand while wondering if everything will be ok....why wait unitl it's too late.
    That said, I do realize dealing with oil on the open ocean can be problematic to say the least, but it seems like a half-hearted effort they're talking about instead of let's get this under control attitude.
     
  15. ETH77

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    Notice that the states getting hammered by this lack of any remotely competent attempt by FEMA, the CC, or US Army Corps of Engineeers, have a few things in common - other than they're on the gulf. Texas, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, and Florida have Republican Governors. All of the states have Right to Carry, and have a lot of gun owners. The states live primarily from Oil & Gas, Fishing, Agriculture, Tourism and Manufacturing. The states are Right to Work states and have a lot of vehicle manufacturing - Japanese, and German.

    Is there any reason to believe that part of the inaction isn't a deliberate payback? I've said before, I'm a Libertarian, I don't have a dog in the hunt. But I have learned to avoid skunks, and this is starting to stink. There is technology available, and it's been offered, but the ships sail under a foreign flag, so by the 192x Jones Act they are unable to work in our waters. Bush waived this requirement for Katrina relief efforts. This is much worse.

    Just my $0.02.
     
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    That is one slick chick!:rofl:
     
  17. OffArtist

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    This hit the nail right on the head for me. Just go back to Rahm Emmanuel's quote - never let a crisis go to waste. I typed a nice long rant but then deleted it as I wanted to take the high road here - I am THAT disgusted...