About M pistols safty

For the most part, the "internal safety" they are talking about is the % of precock of the firing pin is generally considered to be insufficient to detonate all but the softest primers. Even if the firing pin were to fall, one can almost completely rule out the possibility of a discharge.

DISCLAIMER: I'm shooting from the hip here, so forgive me if I am misreporting what I read... There are only a few people on the board that I feel are qualified to address this question. BigTaco, our resident trigger guru, has discussed the technicalities of the varies "degrees of safety" invovled in the Steyr pistols. IIRC, he wrote a rather detailed discourse on the matter not to long ago and concluded that some part of the sear will actually prevent any forward travel of the firing pin AND the % of precock (still technically unknown) would likely not be close to enough to detonate a standard primer.

I hope BT will come along shortly and clear this up for us (again)... Or perhaps someone wants to dig through some of his past posts to find the discussion I mentioned?

 

This does come up often, maybe a sticky in the making :?

 

hi doctorw,
i had a 1st generation steyr m40 and the new m9A1. from what i know, our moderator can correct me if i'm wrong but the steyr has no firing pin safety. unlike the glock, hs/xd or other polymer handgun in the market, they have a firing pin safety. by definition, it's a safety plungger or a device that blocks the firing pin travel or movement in an event the firing pin or striker moves forward unintentionaly.
the gun is 100% safe even without this safety, i tried testing by dropping the gun with a dummy round inside the chamber from a height of 7 ft with the muzzle hitting the floor ( on a rug floor of course ), throwing it side ways, still the firing pin/ striker didn't move, if youre not convince, test it yourself and e-mail me at [email protected] and let me know the outcome ok.

 

Steyrs DO NOT have a traditional firing pin safety like you find in the Glocks, Xd's, etc....

Steyr 'seems' to be labeling the pyramid shaped protrusion on the top of the sear as a firing pin safety, as it inhibits forward movement of the striker [until the trigger is pulled]....

..course, if that were the case, It would have to be said that Glocks have TWO firing pin safeties!!!!

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Thats all, folks.....

 

hi,
if steyr says they have a firing pin safety, then, thats it, the gun has a firing pin safety, but if you ask my opinion, from what i know about firing pin safety, the steyr 1st gen. and the new a1 model has none, again using a glock, xd or any modern polymer pistol with such device in them as a reference

 

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Do you carry them unloaded?????

THAT sounds dangerous!!!!!!

:wink: :wink:

 

hello doctorw,
yes i carry my steyr loaded and ready. i have a permit to carry and it's kind of second nature to me carrying it like that, it may offend others but it took discipline , time and effort not to put the finger inside the trigger. ofcourse nothing is 100% fool proof , specially when it comes to firearms. PRESENSE OF MIND AND PRACTICE, the rest will come naturally ok

 

The Steyr doesn't have a FP safety in the classical sense.

The sear has to move rearwards against the FP spring pressure to get to the point where it can drop and release the FP.

The FP is also only held partially to the rear so even if the sear or the lug on the FP breaks off
while cocked the FP still doesn't have enough forward momentum to discharge the round.
You have to pull the trigger to get the FP far enough back for that.

Hope that explains it.

 

Yes.

The Striker is held under 'some' tension by the trigger connector in the Glock.

...and, as improbable as it may be, should everything else fail, and the striker be allowed to move forward in the Glock, the firing pin safety will prevent it from protruding beyond the breech face...

...with a Steyr, this is not true.....

[Relax guys, I still own three times as many Steyrs as I do Glocks....] 8) 8) 8)

 

The only real advantage to the Glock's extra FP block is it prevents the highly unlikely chance of the FP getting stuck forward after breaking and the pistol slam firing.

 

an excellent point, but i would counter that the slide cycles faster than the shooters ability to release the trigger. if the trigger is held to the rear, the FP plunger safety will be defeated when the slide comes into battery.

if seen some glocks full-auto at the range. whole mag empties in .06 seconds or so. when loading only two rounds to test, both rounds sound like one big boom.