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Reasons to Support Gun Control:

1. You like pointless and ineffective laws - It is clear that
criminals who will ignore the laws against murder, robbery, and rape
will also ignore the laws against gun possession. Even with decades of
empirical proof that gun control doesn't work, gun control advocates
continue to support such pointless laws.

2. You like law abiding citizens to be defenseless and at the mercy of
criminals - As the rampant crime in cities like Chicago and the
District of Columbia show, criminals ignore gun bans just like they
ignore other laws (and that's what make them criminals). The law
abiding citizens obey the laws, and are left defenseless when a
criminal attacks them or breaks into their home.

3. You like to discriminate against women and deny them the means of
defending themselves - Guns allow a 95 lb. woman to fend off
a 300 lb. attacker. They allow the little old grandma to defend
herself as well. Banning firearms, especially when the ban is targeted
at handguns in particular, has a disproportionate effect upon the
members of our society who are less physically strong. As a simple
matter of biology, most women are physically less strong then most
men. This means that taking away "the great equalizer" from them puts
these women at a disadvantage, relative to men. Now consider that a
relatively minor weapons possession charge is not going to deter
someone who would face many years or life in prison if caught for
rape, robbery, etc., and you can see that firearms bans will leave the
law abiding women defenseless, and their potential attackers armed.

4. You don't believe in personal responsibility and prefer to blame
inanimate objects - Gun are inanimate objects that cannot do harm,
absent the actions of a human being. That human can be a criminal, a
negligent parent, an irresponsible gun owner, etc. Each of those
issues is one of personal responsibility, and should be addressed by
punishing the offender, not blaming the inanimate gun and other law
abiding gun owners.

5. You enjoy having irrational fears - Many people who don't own guns
seem seem to have an irrational fear of them, despite the fact that
they have never owned or even fired a gun. It would seem to me that
this irrational fear of guns comes from many sources, such as the
negative portrayal of guns in media, fear over the loud sounds guns
can make, lack of personal experience with guns, etc. Taking a little
time to go shooting for the first time can go a long way to overcoming
such an irrational fear of guns.

6. You don't like civil rights - While many police officers are honest
and morally upstanding people, there are some that abuse their
authority. These corrupt police officers will break the law and
violate the civil rights of citizens (often minorities), with
sometimes deadly results for the innocent citizen. In these cases, the
dishonest police officer will often say that the citizen had a gun or
an object that looked like a gun. Since many of the cities and states
where this police abuse is most common ban or heavily restrict the
right to keep and bear arms, the corrupt police can use the fact that
gun possession is a crime in order to justify their wrongful violation
of the citizen's civil rights, even when the citizen didn't have a gun
at all. Were the right to keep and bear arms allowed by these cities
and states, the corrupt police would be unable to use the presence of
something that "looked like a gun" as an excuse for their actions.
This is not just a hypothetical issue. The New York Times reported how
police are using anti gun laws as a pretext to violate citizens' 4th
amendment rights.

7. You enjoy punishing small children who have done nothing wrong -
Gun control advocates often support "zero tolerance" policies, which
result in unreasonable punishment of children who have not done
anything wrong or endangered anyone's safety. An example is that of
Bradley Geslak, a 10 year old boy was given a harmless piece of brass
by a veteran of the US military, during a Memorial Day celebration. He
brought this completely inert, non-dangerous piece of brass to school,
and has now been suspended due to a "zero tolerance" policy.

8. You enjoy subverting the purpose of government and our constitution
- Anti gun groups are involved in blocking the confirmation of federal
judges, simply because they disagree with the judge's learned
interpretation of the constitution. The confirmation of a judge is
properly blocked when the judge lacks an understanding of the law,
when he/she is racist, or when he/she is otherwise incompetent.
Preventing the confirmation of a judge who supports the constitution
is simply wrong.

9 You like politicians that treat themselves more favorably than they
treat their citizens - Many of the most anti-gun rights politicians
will bend the law to favor themselves, keeping the gun rights for
themselves. This includes crafting special gun amnesty for themselves,
or having tax payer sponsored bodyguards while taking away guns from
ordinary citizens.

10. You enjoy leaving students defenseless against school shooters -
All of the recent school shootings, from Columbine, to Virginia Tech,
to NIU, were all in "gun free" zones. The criminals ignored the gun
ban and were able to attack the law abiding, gun ban followings
students with impunity. It shouldn't come as a surprise, since a
suicidal gunman bent on committing murder before killing himself won't
care about a gun possession charge. Equally clear, the law abiding
students with bright futures will leave their guns at home, rather
than risk a criminal conviction that could ruin their career
prospects. Recent history also shows us that armed students who are
allowed to carry guns can and do stop school shooters, as happened at
the Mercaz HaRav Massacre.


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Those are all very good reasons. I've used the "feminist" argument (#3) with great success. Tell a woman who is adamantly opposed to guns (because they are associated with murderers and rapists) that if they got their way and all the guns magically disappeared that would leave, what, baseball bats and arms and hands? Okay, you got your wish, what now? Now a man can beat you down and force you into submission. With guns, you can arm yourself legally, a rapist can arm himself illegally. And you are on equal ground. Throw in the idea that many women are better shots than men (because they practice and don't have the preconceived notion that they "ought" to know about guns) and the odds are in the woman's favor.

I firmly support the last idea and I believe there are resolutions being considered in the Texas state government that will support the legal right of carry for CHL holders in our state's schools.

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I saw these a while back and got a kick out of 'em (some are repeats from above).

It's amazing what one has to believe to believe in gun control.
by Michael Z. Williamson
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That the more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.
That Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.
That "NYPD Blue" and "Miami Vice" are documentaries.
That an intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .44 Magnum will get angry and kill you.
That firearms in the hands of private citizens are the gravest threat to world peace, and China, Pakistan and Korea can be trusted with nuclear weapons.
That Charlton Heston as president of the NRA is a shill who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.
That ordinary people, in the presence of guns, turn into slaughtering butchers, and revert to normal when the weapon is removed.
That the New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns, just like Guns and Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.
That one should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for spinal paralysis, a software engineer for computer problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.
That the "right of the people peaceably to assemble," the "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumeration's herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people," refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the states.
That the 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, allows the states to have a National Guard, created by act of Congress in 1917.
That the National Guard, paid by the federal government, occupying property leased to the federal government, using weapons owned by the federal government, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a state agency.
That private citizens can't have handguns, because they serve no militia purpose, even though the military has hundreds of thousands of them, and private citizens can't have assault rifles, because they are military weapons.
That it is reasonable for California to have a minimum 2 year sentence for possessing but not using an assault rifle, and reasonable for California to have a 6 month minimum sentence for raping a female police officer.
That it is reasonable to jail people for carrying but not using guns, but outrageous to jail people for possessing marijuana.
That minimum sentences violate civil rights, unless it's for possessing a gun.
That door-to-door searches for drugs are a gross violation of civil rights and a sign of fascism, but door-to-door searches for guns are a reasonable solution to the "gun problem."
That the first amendment absolutely allows child pornography and threats to kill cops, but doesn't apply to manuals on gun repair.
That Illinois' law that allows any government official from Governor to dogcatcher to carry a gun is reasonable, and the law that prohibits any private citizen, even one with 50 death threats on file and a million-dollar jewelry business, is reasonable. And it isn't a sign of police stateism.
That free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies bare hands.
That gun safety courses in school only encourage kids to commit violence, but sex education in school doesn't encourage kids to have sex.
That the ready availability of guns today, with only a few government forms, waiting periods, checks, infringements, ID, and fingerprinting, is responsible for all the school shootings, compared to the lack of school shootings in the 1950's and 1960's, which was caused by the awkward availability of guns at any hardware store, gas station, and by mail order.
That we must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who owns a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.
That there is too much explicit violence featuring guns on TV, and that cities can sue gun manufacturers because people aren't aware of the dangers involved with guns.
That the gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, and the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.
That the crime rate in America is decreasing because of gun control, and the increase in crime requires more gun control.
That 100 years after its founding, the NRA got into the politics of guns from purely selfish motives, and 100 years after the Emancipation Proclamation, the black civil rights movement was founded from purely noble motives.
That statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control, and statistics that show increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."
That we don't need guns against an oppressive government, because the Constitution has internal safeguards, and we should ban and seize all guns, therefore violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments of that Constitution, thereby becoming an oppressive government.
That guns are an ineffective means of self defense for rational adults, but in the hands of an ignorant criminal become a threat to the fabric of society.
That guns are so complex to use that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.
That guns cause crime, which is why there are so many mass slayings at gun shows.
That guns aren't necessary to national defense, which is why the army only has 3 million of them.
That banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, and Chicago cops need guns.
That the Constitution protects us, so we don't need guns, and can confiscate them, thereby violating the 5th amendment of that constitution.
That women are just as intelligent and capable as men and a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen".
That women are just as intelligent and capable as men, and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."
That a handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.
That a majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population used to support owning slaves.
That one should ignore as idiots politicians who confuse Wicca with Satanism and exaggerate the gay community as a threat to society, but listen sagely to politicians who can refer to a self-loading small arm as a "weapon of mass destruction" and an "assault weapon."
That Massachusetts is safer with bans on guns, which is why Teddy Kennedy has machinegun-toting guards.
That most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by, because they can be trusted.
That a woman raped and strangled with her panties is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.
That guns should be banned because of the danger involved, and live reporting from the battlefield, which can keep the enemy informed of troop deployments, getting thousands of troops killed and perhaps losing a war, is a protected act that CANNOT be compromised on.
That the right of online child pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is a constitutionally protected extension of the Bill of Rights, and the claim that handguns are for self defense is merely an excuse, and not really protected by the Bill of Rights.
That the ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.
That police operate in groups with backup, which is why they need larger capacity magazines than civilians, who must face criminals alone, and therefore need less ammunition.
That we should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.
That guns have no legitimate use, but alcohol does, which is why we issue cops beer instead of guns.
That police and soldiers are the dregs of society who were unfit to get any real job, which perfectly qualifies them with the high moral standards and keen intellects to handle these complicated tools and be our guardians.
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