Steyr Mauser 98K

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  1. Buzz

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    Some time back Netfotoj pointed us to some Mauser 98K rifles being sold by Mitchell's Mausers that were made by Steyr. The Mauser 98K was made by many manufacturers and the gun has quite a hobby behind it. A year or so back I bought on of the collector grade Mitchell's Mausers (not the SS one) and while the gun was pretty it was all polished and blinged out, and Mitchell's in infamous for unscrupulous business practices including fake stamps and vague descriptions to cover up their deceptions. I ended up selling that Mauser, amazingly enough breaking even, with the vow to own a Mauser that has not been altered in such a manner.

    Last month, with buying a Moisin Nagain 91/30 Tula hex I was again bitten by the milsurp bug and decided to acquire a Mauser 98K to start building an adversary set. The set would include the Moisin Nagant, Mauser 98K, Enfield (Savage) No.4 MkI (on layaway), Garrand (one is being picked for me by a friend in the biz), and Arisaka (has to have the mum), and a Caracano. That would cover the major combatants of WWII pretty well. Last week I found the Mauser.

    It turned out to be a Russian capture with mismatched barrel/receiver (bcd 1941 at Gustloff-Werke, Weimar) and trigger guard, with stock heavily coated with Russian red shellac chipping off like the gun has leprosy. The bore is in great condition, and for this one I decided to do a more drastic refinish on the stock. I also decided to acquire a second 98K and leave it unaltered except to remove the Russian red shellac goop (easily done with deantured alcohol, something I wish I would have known with he first one) replacing it with a tung oil finish, resulting in a very original look.

    As luck would have it, of the three Russian capture 98K that the shop had, the one left acquired as my second 98K has barrel/receiver marked "bnz" which indicates that the rifle was manufactured by Steyr-Daimler-Puch AG, in this case, in 1941. Sadly, these guns were made by slave labor, but since many of the rifles were headed to the SS they had special inspection teams to detect sabotage and insure quality. Truly sad, but Steyr manufactured many thousands 98K, and mine is one of them.

    Here is a first photo of the stock prior to re-assembly, which should happen this evening. There has been no sanding of the stock or attempts to fix dings. As with all of my adversary group rifles, the goal is to have an unaltered rifle cleaned up, preserved, showing the years of use by desperate men in desparate moments. The sight hood and cleaning rod, wich are always missing from Russian capture guns, have been replaced. Once the gun is back together another photo will follow.

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  2. mikakeke

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    I too have been wanting a K98 by Steyr. Really just a K98 but I got the M9A1 instead. I own 2 M1 carbines and a ton of American WW2 stuff. I have a 1903 and a WWI uniform as well. My dad was a WWII vet and my ma is from Austria. Looking forward to the pic's ....Looks like its a hardwood stock and not laminated ...so thats probably correct for a 1941...Good luck ..
     

  3. Buzz

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    Yup, the stock is solid wood. I'm not sure if the butt plate is correct for 1941. No matter, the important part for me is the receiver/barrel and that is Steyr.

    Tonight I put my bcd back together as the finish has now dried.

    Today I was a bad boy. I stopped off to buy some ammo and found a 1965 Ishapore Enfield (.308). It followed me home ;-) Photos to follow. The wood and bore are very nice but they put so much black paint storage goop on it. Getting that off will be a project.
     
  4. mikakeke

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    Lacquer thinner works great. Then I use greased lightning or fantastic followed by a clean damp cloth. Then an iron on heavy steam for the dents. let dry a few days and stain and oil. I bought a M1 carbine Underwood 1943 years ago for $99 it was a Korean import with a ugly, black, dented, swollen, pot belly stock. I cleaned it with laquer thinner but it had this gooey wood and oil coating that I could scrape off with my finger nail about an 1/8 inch thick. I soaked and scrubbed it in the bath tub with hot water and dawn dish washing detergent for about 4 - 6 hours I then proceeded to use a plastic kitchen scrunchy(steel wool looking thing) and scraped all the remaining gunk off and below was a beautiful pot belly stock..... not WWII but a nice example of a post war M2 stock ....of course the cartouches and such were already gone. I then let it dry for about a week. I stained it walnut and used linseed oil over a 4-5 day period one coat at a time followed by 00 steel wool. I have 2 other WWII stocks for my 2 carbines that are untouched with all the cartouches. I hadn't done this stuff for a while and thats what got me hankering for a K98....Really want a Garand but at less than half price a K98 is in my near future.
     
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  5. Buzz

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    The Mausers turned out just as I had hoped. The Steyr, the lower one in the photo, really makes me happy as the stock is as original but with the scars of battle and a nice coat of tung oil. The Gestloff actually looks good, even with the polyurethane. The finish is more refined, and not authentic, but it still shows its battle scars, if a bit more muted. A new cleaning rod and sight hood just went on at lunch. Two sets of captive screws (they are screws that lock in the main screws) for the trigger guard are on order.

    A third Mauser is planned. I will go with another Russian capture. These guns saw a lot of action, and that is an important aspect of it all to me.

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  6. mikakeke

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    They look good....you need a laminate now ..well 2 of them one with red glue and one with white glue. Have you shot them yet? How's the kick?
     
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  7. Buzz

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    Thanks. The bnz Steyr is definitely my favorite, so far.

    My understanding is that the solid wood stocks were earlier production (far less common, about 25%) with the laminated stock coming along once things began to get short. I definitely want a laminate stock as well. Possibly I can find another 1941 with a laminate stock as the Russian captures are pretty much mix and match. A Mauser byf would be nice as would a J.P. Saur & Sohn. I also want a cupped butt plate on the next one.

    I haven't shot eighter gun yet. I did shoot a Mauser years ago and I recall it being pleasant, but can't recall much more than that.
     
  8. mikakeke

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    I studied up on the Mauser quite a bit. You wanting the CE code or the 147? Our local range has a bunch of K98's at $319 includes original sling and ammo pouch which is not correct...I just haven't pulled the trigger yet to get one. None are peened. They have a 42 CE code,an AX, several BCD's, a couple 42's most are laminate and several have visable Waffenstampt's on the stock. I bought a bayo for one from MARSTAR but it had a broken point so I sent it back. Marstar also has original ammo pouches is sad condition and some really nice repro ones. If you haven't found this site yet it is loaded with info...

    http://mauser98k.internetdsl.pl/indexen.html
     
  9. Buzz

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    That is the main site that I have gone to. I have a printout of the factory codes from there in my car! I think overall I may be less concerned about factory and more concerned about condition. I think I'd like to stay with earlier war guns not past 42 or 43. Another 41 would be nice. I have ended up with an extra sight hood and cleaning rod, so now I have to buy another rifle. I've been lucky as neither of my guns are peened with nice crisp eagles. I won't buy a peened gun, that is my major disqualifier.
     
  10. mikakeke

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    I carry the same thing around with me. The CE's don't have many stamps and they are small. The CE at the local dealer is a 41. I thought AX would be cool too. I am the same way codes not as important as condition. Some of them the metal is pretty hammered up. Bore condition is pretty important to me as well. I don't want a gun to just look at. I shoot everything I own except the PPK my Dad brought back from WWII(.32 ACP) 99% with capture papers. It gets looked at and cleaned ...just a bit worried abought cracking the bakelite grips. I would really like to find a RC K98 without the electric pencilling as I have found not all of the RC's have it. I even talked to one of the US distributors and all codes and quantities are still available to the distrubutors only. This thread may make me go and buy one now. J&G sales still has a ton as well.
     
  11. Buzz

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    I agree about bore as I will shoot as well as collect them. I only have one gun that I won't shoot and that is my grandfather's Iver Johnson top-break revolver. I also carry a bore light with me as most shops around here don't have them to use.

    Right now I'm trying to decide to what degree I'm going to keep a stock with the "original" gun. They are both force matched via electric pencil and stamp on the stock, so if the stock stays with the gun then at least they are original as cobbled together by the Russians. I suppose I could switch stocks or pick up a few more and switch if I kept the original which could be put back on at any time. My strong tendency is to leave these two rifles as is.

    I'm limiting myself to hand picking the rifle from local stock, so it might be a while before I stumble on the third Mauser. I have bought two of the four that I have seen locally. They do have a very nice Swedish Mauser in excellent condition, and there is a Gewehr 88 at another shop that is really tempting me. The Swedish Mauser....not so much.
     
  12. mikakeke

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    I guess I will too. Just went to the J&G site and they are no longer offering
    K98's. I see a layaway in my immediate future.
     
  13. Buzz

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    BTW, is there any trick to putting in the captive bolts? Are the main bolts drawn up tight or do they have to have a little give to line up with the captive bolts?
     
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    Just found this for you...

    Looking at the larger screws you can see that there are 3, Slots, Grooves around the head evenly spaced at 2, 6 and 10 o'clock. Tighten your screws till they line up with the hole where the Little Capture Srew goes if you tighten it to tight and it doesn't quite reach the Hole DON'T Force it back it off to the next groove, the Main receiver screw just has to Hold the gun to the stock firmly. Insert the Capture screw and screw in down all the way. Once all the way down then take and Back Off on the Main Receiver Screw so that Your Backward, Counter Clockwise Tightening it against the Capture Screw till snug. DONE, The Main screw can not move or loosen now. One Holds the Other, Neither can Move.

    http://reviews.ebay.com/The-German-...nd-Accessory-Guide_W0QQugidZ10000000001469617
     
  15. Buzz

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    Excellent. Thanks!
     
  16. mikakeke

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    When will we have a range report on the Steyr K98?
     
  17. Buzz

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    Good question. I'm thinking that it would be a good idea to have my gun smith take a look at them before I shoot them. Have you heard much about issues like headspace with the Russian Captures?
     
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    No I haven't but I think I would do the same thing. I read somewhere that there is an easy test for headspace but for $20 - $30 I would let a gunsmith do it. I never even considered it in the past with surplus guns but I am getting older and more cautious.
     
  19. Buzz

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    Yes, as I get older the thought of injury is far less appealing! I think that the way to go will be to acquire a no-go guage. Considering I have two Mausers and will most likely have at least one more it makes sense. Plus, some check headpsace on a regular ongoing basis, so it makes even more sense. Same for my Ishipore Enfield (.303 British) and the Savage Enfield (7.62 NATO) (on layaway). Probably not a bad idea to factor that cost right into the cost of acquiring a milsurp in a new caliber. Plus, they could be used in my other rifles like my CETME, PTR, and fAL.
     
  20. mikakeke

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    I had my FAL stolen from my brothers house...sold 600 rounds of chinese .308to a buddy a couple months ago....still have 27 20 round mags and 1 5 rounder and 1 30 rounder all metric and a little bit of other fal stuff though. It was a Belgium made FN/FAL. Sure would like to have another but the costs have gotten too high for me. The nogo gage sounds like its the way to go. I think I may put a K98 on layaway this weekend. Boy it sounds like you have a long weekend of shooting needed.