Budget 1911 .45 pistol

Discussion in 'Other Handguns' started by Netfotoj, Jun 13, 2008.

  1. Netfotoj

    Netfotoj Premium Member

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    The June 2008 issue of Gun World magazine reviews a 1911 .45 ACP for “less than $350” available in either 5” or 4 ¼” barrels. The pistols are manufactured by Shootings Arms Manufacturing in Quezon City in the Philippines and imported by Century Arms International of Daytona Beach, Florida. The SAM pistols come in two models: Military version, a standard Government-issue 1911; and for $20 extra, the Elite 1911, with a beavertail grip safety and an enlarged, relieved ejection port. Both models are available in full-size 5" barrel or Commodore 4 1/4" barrel for the same price.
    Elite 1911 Commodore Blue .45 SAM 4 1/4" BBL Pistol
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    Gun World reviewer Mike Beliveau tested the full-size SAM Elite 1911 and says “it’s a solid gun that does what it’s supposed to do and it does it at a price point that almost anybody can handle. There’s always talk that the Filipino 1911s have soft frames, but SAM claims to cast them from 4140 steel, which is pretty much what everyone does these days… The barrels and slides are milled from forged 4140 steel billets. That’s all as it should be and with about 1,000 rounds through my specimen, I haven’t seen any frame battering or cracking.”

    He said the flat-topped slide is “moderately polished and finished in the modern hot blue process to the usual deep black color… In contrast to the slide, the frame has a true matte-black finish and adding to the Heart of Darkness effect, the grips SAM provides are thin slabs of black plastic.”

    One magazine comes with the pistol, but standard 1911 7-round or 8-round magazines work “with very excellent results,” he adds.

    “The trigger pull measures 6 pounds and it has a slight bit of creep,” he said. His bench-rest testing yielded 2-inch groups at 25 yards. “With a better trigger the SAM should be capable of better groups from the bench.”

    At that price, what’s not to like? :mrgreen:

    J&G Sales has the Shooters Arms full-size Military model 1911 for $350.
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  2. SELFDEFENSE

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    If it works its a winner
     

  3. MACHINgunIST

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    It is more nicely finished than a Norinco 1911........which are no longer imported. I handled a 1911 import from the Philippines some years back......the fit, finish, and machining were as good as on any high end 1911. Don't know about internal parts, quality of metal, heat treatment etc.
     
  4. Soverign

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    Centry Arms is in Delray Beach, FL not Daytona Beach.
    I am from Daytona.
     
  5. Garys4598

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    Ohhhhhh myyyyyyyyyy goodnessssssssss......

    I've been strongly considering purchasing a 1911 Govt. type 45ACP for some time now (it is the pistol that I "cut my teeth on" when I was a brand-spanking-newly commissioned Second Lieutenant in the U.S. Army so many years ago; just prior to all units being issued the then new 92F Beretta).

    Hmmmm.... this price and this quality, seems exceptionally difficult to pass up.


    Dag-gummit Netfotoj, you might have just created the path that leads me to be in the "dog house" with my missus. I somewhat recently promised her: "No more firearm purchases."

    :wall: ..... :wall: ..... :wall:
     
  6. babj615

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    Uhhhhh...

    ...that sounds....

    RE-TAR-DED !!!!

    :doh: :doh: :doh:
     
  7. Netfotoj

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    There's a lesson for life, don't make no such outlandish promises. My wife keep asking me, "Don't you have enough pistols now?" And I probably do, for any normal person. But I don't wanna be normal, I want to continue being a gun nut. :mrgreen:

    P.S. In case you missed it in my original post, you did see the link to J&G Sales, didn't you? They have the full-size military version in stock for $350 and they had the Elite Commander size listed earlier for the same price.
     
  8. Soverign

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    Just ask her, do you hunny have enough shoes or purses :?:
    Tell us her answer :wink:

    Check out this company. I had not heard of them before last week when a co-worker talked about them.
    Tanfoglio
     
  9. Garys4598

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    Dude, my wife is nothing like that; she is not into shoes and purses and that sort of bologna. She's very "practical"... (perhaps too practical for her own good :mrgreen:).

    But anyway...

    After delving into some long ago previously conducted research cocerning 1911s.... my thoughts as of today are that I would likely go with a mid-level Springfield Armory model. My current frame of mind is.... you pretty much get what you pay for with Springfield Armory (without having to give-up a kidney or some other internal organ), and it's all good. :wink:
     
  10. SELFDEFENSE

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    "I somewhat recently promised her: "No more firearm purchases."

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    We won't tell if you don't tell. :shh:
     
  11. Netfotoj

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    Tangfolio pistols are made in Italy and imported into the U.S. under the EAA Witness name. Basically CZ75 clones.
     
  12. Garys4598

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    Well... I basically "screwed-the-pooch" with that. :wall:

    How so you may ask?

    Well... as of this morning, short of the firearm physically arriving at my doorstep (i.e., to my FFL's doorstep), I am now the proud new owner of a refurbished military bolt-action rifle chambered in 7.62mm NATO, that comes with a standard 12rnd detachable magazine.

    Anyone have any clues as to what rifle I am referring to? I bet some of you do.

    :wink:
     
  13. Garys4598

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    This cotton pick'n pond water performing website!!! :wall: ... :wall: ... :wall:

    I just spent five minutes typing out a new thread over in the "Other Rifles" forum folder, all about my experience and decision to purchase the below military surplus refurbished rifle.... only to have the friggen server take me BACK to the login screen after hitting "submit", whereupon I lost absolutely everything I had written in the new thread!!!!! :wall: ....... :wall: ....... :wall:


    Any-friggen-way, here is my new old-baby, due to arrive at my doorstep sometime late next week:

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    ~Gary
     
  14. babj615

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    Wow, That looks super nice!!!!

    Gonna let me shoot that one too????

    BTW- I always 'Highlight and Copy' my entire post before I click on Submit, cuz I been screwed way too many timez.....
     
  15. Netfotoj

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    I presume that was a .303 British Enfield SMLE, AKA "Old Smelly," in its previous life? Sure looks pretty nice now. Is that a custom conversion job or off-the-shelf dealer work? If the latter, would you care to share your source and the cost?

    I'm a lefty and been thinking about a .308 bolt gun but just can't pull the trigger so to speak unless it's a real great deal.

    BTW, that Shooters Arms budget .45 is about the same price as a Rock Island Armory .45, also made in Philippines. The RIA has a known reputation as high-quality 1911, made by Armscor, but I wouldn't be surprised if they also made Shooters Arms.
     
  16. Garys4598

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    First off Netfotoj, my apologies for partially hijacking your thread. Such truly was not my intent... :oops:

    Regarding my new inbound rifle.... you are darned close, but you missed the bullseye... :lol:

    It is an Ishapore 2A1 Rifle in 7.62mm NATO. Essentially, it is in fact an Enfield No. 1 Mk III.... except that it was manufactured in India and due to the chamber requirements for the 7.62x51mm round, the Ishapore factory in India developed a stronger steel for the receiver and the bolt's extractor is slightly longer... those I think are the major differences between the two rifles.

    The Ishapore 2A1 has the distinction of being the last military bolt action rifle ever designed and issued to an armed force (other than specialised sniper rifles).

    This particular specimen... or 'variation' that I purchased, is commonly referred to as the "Tanker" version because the length of its barrel has been chopped down to 20 inches. Allegedly, these chop jobs were performed by U.S. Distributors of the firearm once they imported them into our country, prior to selling them. Apparently, some of these distributors did a good job with chopping the barrel... and some did not. I'm obviously crossing my fingers that this particular specimen was done very well. Some big time aficionados of this particular long gun consider this an abomination... regardless, by chopping the barrel down it does in fact pretty much totally negate its collectible historical value. Nonetheless, I simply wanted the rifle as a shooter.... so to be honest, I really don't care about it's true historical or collectible value.

    Typically, Ishapore 2A1 Rifles can be had at $350 and well below (in the neighborhood of $150). I paid $450 for this particular rifle... because the wooden stock was mint and pretty much everything else regarding the rifle was at its worst, listed as "excellent" regarding condition... with most parts conveyed as being mint. Apparently, whatever company that performed the refurbishment job on this rifle did an exemplary job. But naturally I'll have to wait and see.

    I purchased it from the following website (Collectible Firearms & Edged Weapons) which is located in Virginia: http://www.collectiblefirearms.com/Rifl ... field.html

    My specific rifle is no longer listed; they've already removed it from their listing. Go figure?

    Additionally, I also paid for two additional 12rnd magazines (the Ishapore 2A1 takes both 10rnd mags and 12rnd mags unlike the British Enfield No.1 models) today, inbound next week as well.
     
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  18. Salzburger

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    Just chuckin in my two cents on the budget .45, I love a 1911 style .45. About 6 months back my gun dealer had a new Charles Daly , it had alot of bells and whistles for the money Ambi-safety, Beaver tail etc... $425. OTD. I bought it on a whim, took it to the range about a week later and absolutly hated it, as in UUUGGGHHHH. FTE, Fail to chamber, Etc... I would get a couple shots problem, maybe a mag through it then problem, accuracy was UGLY, this piece actually looked like a nice gun but it wasnt. It was also made in the Phillipines, not sure if the others are better or worse just passing on my experience. Now I own several 1911 Colts that I LOVE, and this one just didnt measure up. Maybe some of the others are better, let us know, cause I do love a bargain. By the way I gave it to my father-in-law (hehe) :shh: If we ever get into it I thats the gun he brings :twisted:
     
  19. MACHINgunIST

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    It was the RIA......I was thinking of in my earlier post........perfect finish/symmetry on the one I handled.
     
  20. S-40shooter

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    I have the Shooters Arms "Elite" model and it shoots excelent. The only function problems I have had are with the crappy mag it comes with. Got better mags and no problems at all. It is very accurate and an EXTREMELY good deal.